St John Ambulance and people with breasts

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https://www.sja.org.uk/get-advice/how-to/how-to-do-cpr-and-use-a-defibrillator-on-a-person-with-breasts/

I think I know what they are saying that it is the embarrassment of performing CPR near breasts (real and false) that is the factor in care not being given but the language is so insulting.

It's a bit of a non apology but suppose it's small steps. They couldn't summon up the courage to recognise that calling women "people with breasts" while men are called men in the same sentence is offensive. So they double down on why PWB is appropriate (it isn't).

Sadly instead of amending their headline they've removed it - thus losing the impact of that worrying fact that:
"People with breasts Women are statistically less likely to receive bystander CPR than men, let's change that"

Why has that powerful fact been removed?

Yet again pandering to the male dominated trans ideology repeatedly makes organisations look incompetent and unfit for purpose - and women and girls lose out - all the time.

My dad who is a first aider had to drop a bleed once by applying pressure on a woman's groin area , he said an old lady stopped , and told him off, that he shouldn't be touching her there !
In ( life saving ) medicine we have to touch body parts of strangers that we wouldn't normally in everyday life , but considering the alternative , surely everyone in their correct mind would say crack on ( excuse the pun ! )
If I'm having a heart attack please feel free to grab my boobs or any part of my body you deem appropriate or necessary.

Thanks @bugalugs45 - first aiders are so important. I hope your Dad told that woman that he was saving her life! Such a shame that SJAS got caught up in this regressive nonsense that you can't say the word woman. It obscures the good work they do and - just as with NHS staff asking men if they could be pregnant - makes them look incompetent. 🙄

I resigned when they insisted that new volunteers provide pronouns on their applications. They then altered it so that you could “prefer not to say” but then a window would pop up lecturing you as to why you should give pronouns. They were utterly deaf to any challenge re women’s rights.

I bet the trans policy is still operational as well, where women should be “educated” if they complain about sharing changing facilities with biological men. 😡

Just looked at the link and the headline is now how to use a defibrillator on women and people with breasts so I think they have listened to the feedback sent

Once again we have a clear example of how people don't actually believe the things they've convinced themselves they believe.

Now if you ACTUALLY believed that gender had nothing to do with sex you wouldn't formulate a sentence like "people with breasts and men" because you would "know", in the same way you know two plus two, that of course a man can have breasts, I worked with a transman who made no effort to disguise theirs.

Instead they managed to produce a statement which is arguably "transphobic" as it implies that a man with breasts can't be a man.

You can't actually "unknow" what sex is any more than you can unknow basic maths or the words of your first language. I suspect there's a mathematical law somewhere that someone can only use the "correct" language about gender for a certain time before accidentally revealing this.

Yes

Plus they posted similar on 8th March on Facebook -for international women's day which just says women though the link says women and people with breasts.

All that they need to say is CPR or defibrillation will be performed on everybody when required regardless of body type

When was there a social taboo about naked mens chests including breasts and nipples been seen in public?
Pre-WW1 pre-WW2?

The social problem is a woman only taboo but the addition of the binder message is pretending that a woman is not a woman.

However at least the reply was skillfully worded to avoid further conflict.

It’s amazing isn’t it - “we are promoting this research about women by not mentioning them - clearly we must prioritise male people who insist they are female”. 🤦‍♀️ I know they’ve changed it now, but it should never have made it to publication in the first place.

Medical misogyny is such a huge issue - & not something a male person will ever experience, however they “identify” &/or alter their bodies.

A bit of a derail, but ..
I heard three different reports on the radio yesterday and this morning about women's health issues - breast density possibly invalidating mammograms, endometriosis and - can't remember the other one - perhaps it was about decline in memory function??😕

Every single one of the experts and reporters just said 'woman' - no circumlocutions, no 'people with' anything. Just women. It was very encouraging.

BTW this was on Irish radio, and as we are sadly Terf Island's mirror image in many respects, it was especially positive to hear.

That is positive Marie 😊

So, i read this yesterday and was irritated, by today i was annoyed and sent in feedback on the form someone helpfully attached. I got a response by almost return saying it was about folk being worried about CPR and breasts. It did say in the light of feedback received they were reviewing it. Too speedily i sent a response saying thank you....but the i thought they've said nothing so i sent another email saying on reflection i wasnt happy with the phrase ' men & people with breasts' and i'd be interested in what EHRC might think. It might be overkill but such important guidance must have been through many processes & committees and they still got it wrong. I'm not convinced they'll get it right on their own. Will let you know if they come back

They’ll use the stonewall dictionary. ECHR are the devil.