Violent misogyny of kind promoted by Andrew Tate 'fuelled rape and triple murder' by Kyle Clifford

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Kyle Clifford, 26, had been searching YouTube for the 38-year-old controversial influencer's podcast the day before he carried out the four-hour attack, it was said in legal argument ahead of his trial.

It can only now be reported because Judge Mr Justice Bennathan excluded the evidence from the trial, saying that it was of "limited relevance" and too prejudicial.

But he added that anyone who takes a close interest in Tate, a "poster boy for misogynists", could also be seen as a misogynist. ...

... his brother Bradley Clifford, is serving a life sentence for murdering a teenager in 2017. Bradley Clifford drunkenly mowed down 19-year-old Jahshua Francis, who was riding a moped, and his pillion passenger Sobhan Khan, 18, after his "prized" red Mustang was damaged. ...

Please note the full article has horrible details https://news.sky.com/story/kyle-clifford-violent-misogyny-of-kind-promoted-by-andrew-tate-fuelled-rape-and-triple-murder-prosecutors-allege-13321891

Has it got to the point with young men that is now considered "normal" for them to be violent misogynists?

You haven't looked into what he's teaching, then.

Clearly some on here havent been exposed to the hidoues lessons he gives on women trafficking, and casual violence against women "I grab em by the throat" he shows men how to do it (on his private paid for section of his channel, it was in the report by The Intercept)
And SADLY IT GETS WORSE: SPOTIFY AS GIVEN THEM A PODCAST now that they are safely in USA with loads of fake bots saying they want Tate as British PM below the audio! The brothers and their 'funders' also launched a political Reform style project called BRUV and sharing the below petition I had bots writing to me creepily as replies "Hello dear".

Look properly into what his "manosphere" is all about, and the Romanian police reports on his human trafficking and rape, and why he muzzled the Romanian women who say they raped them and cocerced them into making violent pornography for their own profits, which the Romanian police count in the millions of dollars. Tey are DEPRAVED and power hungry.

SIGN AND SHARE (I've deleted my Spotify account now as the CEO invests in armed warfare anyway, you could do the same)
Please also report every ad you see of theirs unless your kids get exposed as so many already have.
https://www.change.org/p/demand-spotify-remove-andrew-tate-s-harmful-courses-on-how-to-traffic-women

Yeah he does this.

Every movement needs a figurehead to make it way more powerful, to escalate, to unify, to get behind, to give a name, face and identity to.

Look at Hitler.

Andrew Tate just happens to be that guy for woman hating.

🌻Yes it been remarkable to see how the US has promoted a hatred of women in its rise towards totalitarianism. Abortion bans from the republicans and fanatical Christians since 2022, the promotion of the "female as egg carrier" by Musk and his multiple children, the erosion of women's rights in the assault of Diversity Equality initiatives.
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It's as if capitalism in its ugliest form is a rapacious, decimation of everything that is motherly and kind, including nature and the environment herself (hence USA's biggest lumber baron is no head of national parks! )🌳

I had not heard Tate talk until this week. Why does he have an American accent if he's from Luton?

I think that what Tate illustrates is that over the years what used to just be in men's minds, and then maybe on the top shelf in news agents has become more overt, and on the internet in your face.

And as what was once seen as shocking, is now no longer shocking so more men are looking for more violent images.

And added to this is the fact that since the male backlash against Women's Liberation there is an increasing number of men who are now blaming women for them no longer being in charge, obeyed, and all the other patriarchal beliefs.

And combined they lead to men like Tate.

And of course he wouldn't be important if he was ignored. But he is the alarm we should all be listening to. Because he is admired and copied - and welcomed by the President of the United States.

What clearer warning that despite all so called advances of women's rights, given the opportunity what Tate promotes is what seesm to be an increasing number of men also want.

What does that tell you about how women are really valued in the world.

Those young men in America who go into schools and kill children with guns, there are about two of his type of massacre every year in the US, these men have never heard of Andrew Tate.

I don't think Andrew Tate is the problem.

There are men who watch Britain's Got Talent with Simon Cowell who are in prison for sex crime and murder.

Born and lived in the US until he was 11. Moved to Luton when his parents divorced.

Tate is effectively an influencer. He has lots of young, angry and misguided fans, likely who are already violent and hate women, but who have now finally found someone to validate that hatred. Here's just some examples of his 'messages'. It's easy to see why someone who wants to hurt women, would look to him as an icon.

Nobody said they did. Honestly we are talking about a men who targeted women who had effectively been "family" and before killing his former girl friend raped her.

What possible leap of though is saying that the now endless school shootings are part of that.

Its almost like some posters are trying to say, well his violent, misogynistic attitudes towards women isn't a problem

Tate is about alpha males who feel entitled to those who dont submit or fit into this view of himself.

School shootings have different roots. https://www.brookings.edu/articles/school-shootings-what-we-know-about-them-and-what-we-can-do-to-prevent-them/

All this whatabouterry.

Slightly off tangent, but I was walking through a part today and 2 young men were talking about the types of women they are interested in. I didn't listen to all of it, and although objectifying, wasn't that surprising.

But then just before I went a different way they talked about dating tall women. And both of them said it was a bit of a problem and if they were tall they needed to be thin. Because when they walked into a room with them they wanted to feel the dominant one.

I am sure anyone looking at them from the way they talked and dressed would think they were nicely brought up young men. But being the dominant one, was important.

I dont know how alarming this might really be, but does display what seems to be an unchanging view that men have. That they are in charge, superior.

this post resonates so much with me, the damage that social media algorithms are doing, promoting misogyny and hate filled posts to young men, is out of control

The victim impact statements being read out in court are heartbreaking.

John Hunt’s was remarkable, and his concluding words are worth reposting:

”Kyle, just remember one thing: whatever sentence you are about to receive, whatever misery lies ahead for you, remember on your dying day there will be no release for you Kyle.

The screams of Hell, Kyle, I can hear them now. They’re going to roll out the red carpet for you.

You will realise your miserable fate will last for eternity.”

He’s been given a whole-life order.

I’m sickened that he was not dragged from his cell and forced to attend the sentencing. Absolutely sickened. How can this be allowed?

Good.

More coming out in the Judge's comments.

Although he was in the Army for 2 years he actually spent 286 days at home claiming to be sick. So yet more evidence that he is a whiny, coward who likes to play the big man but can't actually hack it.

His Commanding Officer's comments in his discharge report were: "'His character is wholly unsuited to military employment and he has no care nor concern beyond himself."

I don't think I've seen a Judge's comments so plain in their disgust either, describing him as a man "soaked in self-pity" and who held women "in utter contempt".

I don’t know why people are missing the point so badly re: mentioning Tate but I get what you are saying. Point to note re: him being able to join the family. They were only together 18 months and it reports she broke up with him as she was increasingly concerned with his views and behaviour.

Re: tall women - this is not even a new thing and as a tall women in her 40s I have been hearing this since my teens.

It’s why I don’t care about men whining about women’s height preferences.

And tbh this viewpoint is of needing to be “taller” to be more dominant seems to be shared by loads of men AND women.

John Hunt's victim statement in full
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwydwr859dgo

The full statement is very moving.

I am only quoting this bit as in my OP I asked how someone this evil was accepted into a family. Not to victim blame, but the worry of if it could happen to them, who else could it happen to.

When I challenge myself about how you were able to deceive us all, I simply say that you are a psychopath who, for the duration of your time together with Louise, was able to disguise yourself as an ordinary human being.

You reserved your best make-believe version of yourself for the times you were in our house.

I suspect many of us have been in situation where we think someone is not being honest in how they represent themselves, but few of us would suspect anyone would be a cold, calculating killer.

3 women sacrificied to a brutal male

A husband and a daughter and sister left to live with the knowledge of how they died.

The full statement is incredibly powerful. He’s always had a wonderful way with words, obviously given his job, and I’ve been moved listening to his evocative commentaries on the radio on plenty of occasions.

I appreciate that may sound glib, I’m not trying to trivialise what he has said but trying to show appreciation for his amazing eloquence in such horrifying circumstances. How anyone is capable of even stringing a sentence together after suffering such a loss, I do not know. The strength John, Amy and Alex have shown is a manifestation of the love the family shared.

Whatever was the point he now has to spend the rest of his life in prison. Hes ruined his own life as well as the hunt family.

Why dont these men avoid relationships if they know they are crap at them.
If he'd been a nicer she wouldnt have finished with him would she?

It was all his own fault she finished with him.
When will some people learn that life is easier when you are nice.

I don’t know about a “steady stream” tbh.

My experience (echoed in the many MN threads about how shit they are) of dating apps is that there’s an appearance of ‘choice’ which is rarely borne out in reality. Especially for men.

If anything, I’d have thought that the apps would likely amplify mysogeny in men because you don’t get the ‘sweet shop’ experience that people like Tate would have you think is your due.

There are examples of criminals mocking the reading of the victim statements/sentencing remarks which has a harrowing effect on the victims (families).

Although it shows a great deal of cowardice/immaturity not to face up to these words, I would rather the victims (families) to be spared that mockery; the key thing is the criminals have been tried and appropriately sentenced.

The sentencing should ve played in their cell over the speakers everyday for a week or so.

How can they escape that.

Replace ‘women’ with eg people of a particular race or religion and rightly he would never get away with it. Because it’s against women it isn’t seen as being so bad or treated the same way 🤬