X Ray dept cover-all bases!

[ChoccyJules]

I was just up at the hospital and their sign in the X ray clinic said: We will ask every patient who is aged 12-55 if they could be pregnant. I guess that covers everyone and in a way I think it's clever but am afraid I did inwardly roll my eyes.

What's a man supposed to say?

If they can't rule out pregnancy due to him being male, how can he rule it out?

Up to now I've assumed that pregnancy is impossible for a male person, but if that's no longer the case, they'd better conduct some sort of test.

yes, that is the logical conclusion to what they are suggesting.

If they can't tell if you're male or female, what criteria do they suggest you use??

And if it's not normal, ordinary people's ideas, then what the fuck is it?

What would they actually say? Would you be able to say that a representative of the NHS has said sex is a nebulous concept that requires skilled expertise to determine, so what an earth makes them think an ordinary person would be able to grasp it??

This is one of the things that winds me up about this ideology. They claim you can't tell this, or that, or the other, and then absolutely bloody well rely on everybody being able to tell in order to leverage that knowledge.

Another example is being told you're homophobic, when they don't believe in homosexuality.

Men have every right to use the female changing room, when they can't tell you what female even means. Or men. Or men identifying as women.

they can be as coherent as you like, but they rely 100% on you not being, in order to push their incoherence.

I remember being asked that when I got my first Covid jab. I was over 60 so they didn't have an age 55 cut-off. I asked whether they asked men as well, and was told 'everyone'.

deranged

Mind you, official Ireland is totally in thrall to gender nonsense. It's going to be interesting to see what happens when America goes head-to-head with our Pharma industry.

They did ask my DP, he laughed. Being blindingly obviously a man in his forties. Luckily they laughed back and said they'd been told to ask.

*i meant they can be as incoherent as you like, but rely on everyone else's coherence

Oh FFS.

Do they want men like my DH to answer "no, because he's infertile"? Then make him pee in a pot anyway, because we all know that when women say no in that situation we aren't believed?

Or can we just dispense with the bullshit and get reality back into the world?

I think the correct response is for men to always say "yes" if asked if they could be pregnant, which puts the onus back on the person asking the stupid question to figure out how to rule pregnancy out.

It will be interesting to see how they approach it.

As I understand it, a standard pregnancy test would indicate "negative" for a male, barring some medical conditions.

Which is actually a bit disappointing, as they could just go ahead and do the test and accept the negative result.

It would be more entertaining if the standard pregnancy test indicated "positive" for males, leaving them to figure out what to do next with that information.

(misses the point)

Age range is too narrow.

If the staff are required to ask this - whether 100% because of genderwoo or 1% because of concern for a foetus being carried by a transman - I would answer politely and without comment.

I have been asked this question several times in the past, and I knew that there wasn't even the teeniest-tiniest chance I was pregnant. But they didn't, and they had to follow their procedures.

HCP's jobs are difficult enough, e.g. having to ask stupid questions like this, and I'd just get over the moment as quickly as possible and let them get on with their work.

I've a relative who is a HCP, and who seethes with rage about being forced to ask this.

I imagine he feels demeaned and insulted, after studying human biology for many years and qualifying and working his arse off only to be beclowned by his employer.

I wonder if the NHS, while so clearly concerned with upsetting and offending any women who wish to be called men, have given any consideration to the impact on patients, staff, trust, and their professional reputation?

My tween male child had an xray recently and the form had a whole section of gender woo skirting around the issue which would have had 80% of the people filling it out confused, even if English was their first language. I knew what they were getting at and even I struggled with it.

My husband had a CT scan last week and was gutted they didn't ask him if he could be pregnant. I did say it was prob because he was pushing 59. They did still ask if his gender matched his sex registered at birth though.

If I was a man I'd say "are you serious?".
If they say "yes - are you pregnant?", I'd say something facetious like "well we're trying, but not getting anywhere yet".

It’s likely that the NHS Trust/Board is rolling out the Inclusive Pregnancy Questionnaire agreed by the Society of Radiographers (link: https://www.sor.org/getmedia/c602c0f7-410f-458b-a746-37dd939856d3/What-is-the-IPS-Diagnostic). I’m not a radiographer but I would say that if they’re asking you this, it’s because they are following the Employers’ Procedures and as Operators under the Ionising Radiation (Medical Exposure) Regulations they are legally responsible for making sure they’ve followed those procedures. I imagine it is as frustrating (if not more) for them to have to ask these questions when the majority of them would rather not!

I write this just for information, as a peaked feminist working within an NHS Board.

Meanwhile, in the Savill garden loos.....

How many genders are we up to now?🤔

This is one of the things that winds me up about this ideology. They claim you can't tell this, or that, or the other, and then absolutely bloody well rely on everybody being able to tell in order to leverage that knowledge.

That's how I feel about all those leaflets that rely on the reader knowing whether they are 'a person with a cervix' or 'with a prostate'. If you don't know your sex because it's so hard to guess, how would you ever know the likelihood of your having a cervix?

As a bloke, I would refuse to answer. I'd be interested to see if they then refused to treat me. Make an excellent court case.

They asked DH ( he’s 76)

I hope he told them he's not been using contraception, and asked them whether he ought to take a test.

We need to start fighting fire with fire .

I ask this question prior to surgery. I now ask everyone over 13 partly to try to peak the crazy gender woo.

Teen girls (including those with gender dysphoria) get a pregnancy test as standard. But there have been some SNAFUs with trans-identified patients on the adult side (and I've dealt with a complaint that making a gender confused teenage girl who identified as a boy was discriminatory) so I don't think it will be long before everyone pees on a stick.

It is very difficult from medical notes to work out birth sex sometimes especially as zealots/ idiots sometimes change all sections to the gender identity despite the fact there re clearly separate sections for birth sex, gender identity and legal sex. And some transidentified adults don't appreciate the importance of being upfront with some pretty hairy consequences for their own health - appendicitis vs. ectopic pregnancy vs ovarian torsion.... Only the latter two happen to woman and if you don't tell people you are a woman then you might not get them exclude until it's too fucking late.

I've seen young teens who have apparently changed their legal sex which isn't possible as a GRC is only available to those 18+. When i do find issues like this I report them as a patient safety near miss and encourage all other HCPs to do the same.

Fairly standard now. All inpatients where I work get asked if they’re pregnant or have been in the last 6 months. Can’t proceed without answering the question on the online system.
I accompanied an ill patient when he went for a CT scan. English wasn’t his 1st language, he was in severe pain and couldn’t understand why someone was asking him if he’d always been a man.

My brother is a radiographer and their team has refused to do this. This was before Covid.

They said that some people were upset enough as it is when they are in hospital having an MRI and some, older patients especially, could be confused, upset or embarrassed by being asked if they are pregnant.

It hardly instills confidence if a medical professional asks you if you are pregnant when you are a man. And have ticked a box to say you are a man.

I wonder who they think is more likely to be - a 56 year old woman or a 30 year old man? In the history of humanity there will have been a small number of the former, and precisely none of the latter!

I volunteer with an elderly man (as in 80 something) who was asked this recently. It was confusing and weird for him - and he was afraid that they had mixed him up with another patient.

And was he?