X Ray dept cover-all bases!

[ChoccyJules]

I was just up at the hospital and their sign in the X ray clinic said: We will ask every patient who is aged 12-55 if they could be pregnant. I guess that covers everyone and in a way I think it's clever but am afraid I did inwardly roll my eyes.

Not new, came out a few years ago.

www.sor.org/getmedia/1d256f96-40cb-4eeb-b120-90fe27daf7e9/Inclusive-Pregnancy-Status-Guidelines-for-Ionising-Radiation_LLv2#:~:text=It%20introduces%20the%20Inclusive%20Pregnancy,and%20keep%20appropriate%20documented%20records.

Exactly. They're relying on your knowledge of your sex, and which one it is depending on if you've got a cervix or a prostate. Just so they can pretend a cervix and a prostate isn't attached to a sex

Bloody irritating

I know it's not the fault of the person doing the asking, but at some point you have to push back.

If someone asked a man are you pregnant, and he said I'm not sure, how would I know? What would be the bloody answer??

Have you had unprotected sex?

Yes I have.

Then what???

Yes they'll be following the inclusive Society of Radiographers guidelines. They are supposed to ask everyone, in theory so that they don't x-ray someone who is pregnant but doesn't appear to be a woman.
These were written when a person who described themselves as queer was president of the society; there's been quite a push in that professional body to accept all the queer theory. For instance, every year, at the Annual Delegates Conference there is a bunch of 'lobbyists', for want of a better word, who pass motions to remove 'gendered language' from all communications. The Society is duty bound to it's members then to lobby the Government to do this. Pushing from the back where you can't see it.

I think I would say " why thanks babe maybe I did have a bit of a session last night " 😂 well over 55

Unfortunately for some time the Society of Radiographers had a president who was very much pushing their own agenda. Most actual HCPs think it's an embarrassment. Just have to hope common sense prevails in the end.

I'm a trainee in this area and different trusts have slightly different ways of dealing with this issue. The last hospital I was based in has an inclusive pregnancy form which has the very simple question, what sex were you registered at birth. If the answer is male then no further questions regarding pregnancy status are necessary.
There have unfortunately been cases of transmen receiving radiation whilst pregnant before this evolution in policy and procedure. No one wants that to happen again. The age range is generally 12-55, though some hospitals have dropped the lower limit to ten. Again prompted by a specific case. Not believing in gender ideology does not mean that trans people do not exist, or that they do not deserve the same standard of care as anyone else.

I have suspicions that this sort of compulsory daft questioning is massaging the way to replace lots of nurses and healthcare technicians with AI.
Employees need to stand up to the expectation that they will ask questions without applying the discretion afforded by human intelligence. Or human intelligence will become unecessary for the job being done.

And he hasn’t had a period in ages!

And if an obvious man says they might be pregnant, are staff compelled to give them a test? The NHS is on its knees financially. How much are they wasting giving pregnancy tests to men?

I wouldn't want to be a radiographer asking a drunk male with facial injuries on a Friday night whether they might be pregnant.

If only trans people really would be ' proud to be trans' so that TIF could just say ' I am a transman' and then be dealt with as their sex.

Surely it makes more sense for health care professionals to say, ' we are an inclusive service, if you are trans please tell us so that we can ensure your healthcare meets your needs'.

This surely makes more sense than asking all men ridiculous questions which run the risk of undermining confidence in the sanity of your healthcare provider. And which could actually cause offence. Imagine being asked that question if you are an insecure young man and you actually think the HCP thought you might be female? And imagine the confusion and offence that may be caused to some men from some communities.

But no, instead all this madness just so that a small number of people get the thrill of thinking they 'pass'.

Not believing in gender ideology does not mean that trans people do not exist, or that they do not deserve the same standard of care as anyone else

How on earth did you conclude this from what people have said?! Of course trans identified people need health care according to their sex! One of the concerns feminists have is that women are not getting the healthcare they need as they present to health services as men! This can be dangerous and even fatal. Asking about sex recorded at birth is a sensible approach.

Another of our concerns is that trans identified people are not given accurate information about the lifelong health implications of tranisitioning. A woman can never be a man. She can only be a woman with an endochrine imbalance due to taking testosterone. We are also concerned about the trivilisation of life long medical interventions by using phrases like ' top surgery' and ' taking T'.. I have never seen a movement where people's physical health is so sacrificed for their mental health, even though there is not even the evidence that transitioning will be the solution to the mental health concerns.

I get what you are saying but if we roll over and accept this nonsense, where does it end?

Even accepting the use of 'sex recorded at birth' instead of the factual 'sex observed at birth' is a step in the wrong direction, for me.

Even accepting the use of 'sex recorded at birth' instead of the factual 'sex observed at birth' is a step in the wrong direction, for me.

The first one rubs me up the wrong way because it's your actual sex that's important. But that wording means you would have to follow a clerical error.

The second one gets a bit more philosophical - does sex not exist unless it's observed? What if there's no record of it having being observed when you were born? You wouldn't have observed whether anyone observed it...

As you said, all nonsense. Every possible formulation is less accurate than just saying "sex".

Exactly. If you follow their ideology, it leads to a fucking dead end. And they have to rely on you not to follow it

It's a criminal waste of money and time

I do believe that there have been issues with transmen and the radiation guidelines. Two main issues:
A transman is pregnant but does not admit to having penetrative sex and is pregnant, the fetus gets exposed to radiation.
A transman is recorded on the system as male, and is not asked if they are pregnant, the fetus gets exposed to radiation.

The solution to this, as decided by the professional body, is to ask everyone if they are pregnant. This undermines confidence in the Radiography profession, quite frankly, as PP have pointed out. The vast majority of people want to be confident in healthcare - and this is not inspiring confidence in anyone.

Radiographers can't do much about people lying, but the alteration of sex on data systems to reflect transmen's fantasies should not be allowed. Sex matters.

If you have sex in a forest… no wait.
If you’re naked in a forest and no one is around to observe you, are you still female?

Several women over 60 and some over 70 have given birth according to world's oldest mothers list. (Oldest.org)

You wouldnt need to, its only for examinations which directly irradiate the abdomen.

Well both DP and I were asked at different times with broken arms.

And at the dentist one question they have always asked before an xray of my mouth is whether I am pregnant.

Depends on your employer's procedures. CT facial bones might well require pregnancy enquiries.

Ironically, I was not asked and I was actually pregnant. Could have saved me a lot of worrying if they had asked properly if there was a chance of pregnancy.

The infuriating thing about this humiliation social experiment is that blokes come away from it - being asked if they could be pregnant by a person in scrubs holding a syringe- they come away from it thinking this is feminists fault.
Feminists wanted equality!
Feminists now want to ask me an obvious bloke if I'm pregnant!

They don't realise what's actually going on.