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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Unison Women's Conference motion "trans women are women" as nurses battle NHS for single sex facilities

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IwantToRetire · 10/02/2025 20:47

the Unison motion, put forward by the union’s Camden branch, asserts that “trans women are women and trans men are men”.

It goes on to denounce the idea that allowing trans women to access female spaces will mean women lose rights and claims women have “a vested interest in standing alongside our trans comrades”.

Unison’s national women’s conference, to begin in Edinburgh on Thursday, is expected to pass a call to produce a “myth-busting factsheet” which would “counter the idea” that trans and women’s rights are ever in conflict.

The motion, which insiders said they believed would likely pass, states that “gender-critical groups and individuals often organise around women-only spaces and the idea that trans people having rights means that women will lose rights.”

It adds “women’s rights are not diminished by trans people having more rights” and calls for literature to be created “to counter the idea that an increase in trans rights would mean a decrease in the rights of others”.

Just extracts - full story here https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/09/trade-union-accused-betraying-women-pushing-trans-agenda/
and here https://archive.is/pG6IV

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needmoresheep · 18/02/2025 14:24

I gave up my trade union membership as unions have truly lost the plot. The focus needs to be on terms and working conditions for all members. Unions now want to poke their noses into everything but why? I really don’t see the point of paying 200 a month for people not to support me and to talk a load of bollocks

TheTallgiraffe · 18/02/2025 14:29

If trans women are women then why are they calling them trans women? So " women are women"?

needmoresheep · 18/02/2025 15:14

Repeat post

vikingnorthutsiresouthutsire · 18/02/2025 15:21

No surprise to me at all. The head of our branch was a bullying misogynist who stated that TWAW. He knew what a woman was when he was sexually harassing her though.

SionnachRuadh · 18/02/2025 16:44

I'm afraid Christina is just a symptom of what happens when union leaders are people who've spent the bulk of their working lives as full time union officials. They don't know conditions at the coalface unless they make the effort to know, and it's much less effort to spout genderist flapdoodle in meetings.

The more I see of these leaders, the more I'm tempted to go Mao Zedong on them and demand they be sent into the fields to pick spuds for a season.

JellySaurus · 18/02/2025 19:18

Theeyeballsinthesky · 18/02/2025 08:51

I’ve got several friends through the union that in every aspect of their life, they can't walk out through the door without getting discriminated against, right up to violence against them. And that’s a reality.

you absolute fuckwit Christina - that’s 95% of women every single day. For fucks fucking sake

Don't these TWs want to be treated like women? What are they complaining about? Discrimination and danger because of what you are and what people believe you should be is absolutely part of the reality of being a woman.

mrshoho · 18/02/2025 20:39

Opinion: How to celebrate LGBT+ History Month
Mitchell Coe, UNISON’s national LGBT+ officer, has some suggestions for how branches can mark this month

UNISON, like its predecessor unions, has been at the forefront of LGBT+ inclusion for decades. From helping to lead the fight against Section 28 and abolishing discriminatory laws against LGBT+ people in the 80s and 90s, to campaigning for equal marriage and equal pensions for same-sex partners, our LGBT+ members have shown us how activism can lead to huge social change.
Our trans, non-binary and gender diverse members have been showing how activism with UNISON can create real change – over 7,000 UNISON members are now trained in how to be good trans allies, a programme that has largely been led by the trans, non-binary and gender diverse network.
And now our asexual (ace) and aromantic (aro) members are leading the way with their activism – creating the first network of ace/aro workers in the UK trade union movement and educating us on why we should be focusing on ace/aro worker issues in the workplace.
So what can you do to show your activism in your workplace throughout LGBT+ History Month?
Run a trans ally training session in your region/branch. Get in touch with your regional education officer to arrange this. You can find out who they are here.
Make sure your workplace policies are inclusive of LGBT+ workers. We have a handy checklist at here to help you.
Make sure your workplace is inclusive of trans workers – we have a model trans equality policy here to help you negotiate with employers.
We also have a PowerPoint presentation that details our LGBT+ history and can be presented in your workplace during a lunch and learn. You can download that here.
And if you’re an LGBT+ member – get involved! Contact your regional LGBT+ contact here, and come along to a regional LGBT+ meeting. There has never been a better time to become active in UNISON.

Posted on 3 February 2025

Wtf. How come lgbt+ history month at Unison is only about trans and fender diversity?

When i was a member of Unison I rarely had any contact apart from paying my subs and quarterly emails. I think a large number of members are oblivious to what Unison now stands for and are unaware that if they did need representation with regard to issues surrounding gender critical beliefs their own Union would not be on their side.

SionnachRuadh · 18/02/2025 21:37

And now our asexual (ace) and aromantic (aro) members are leading the way with their activism – creating the first network of ace/aro workers in the UK trade union movement and educating us on why we should be focusing on ace/aro worker issues in the workplace.

NO YOU MUPPET. Pay and conditions. That's what workers join unions for, and pay the subs that allow you to set up your Tufty Club network.

JellySaurus · 18/02/2025 22:21

There's something to be said for us all being ace/aro at work. Should be the default position that work relationships are asexual and aromantic.

But I doubt that's what they're pontificating about.

JazzyJelly · 18/02/2025 23:23

duc748 · 17/02/2025 00:48

I do wonder, though, all these 'new' unions; I mean, most unions are long-established, they have mass membership, income, head offices, full-time staff, etc. How do new unions just spring up? How much clout do they have? Who funds them?

I've been a union member as long as I've been a working woman, as little good as it did me in a shitty hourly job by a big corporation that wouldn't let me change my pad when I'd bled through it. A man screamed at me for leaving my post while I had blood dripping down my legs.

If there's a female union I'll join it.

I'm sick of men telling me it's best if penis people share toilets and changing rooms with me while I wash menstrual blood out my nails, because they think they're women, with their cock and balls. I'm sick of it.

I'm not sorry for biological reality.

UrsulaLongshanksTheFlamingo · 19/02/2025 00:59

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 12/02/2025 07:46

It does, doesn't it?

When unions are passing motions that "trans women are women" (like "Brexit means Brexit", but make it woke) and 50 something Lib Dem councillors from Wokingham are putting pronouns in their Twitter handles and criticising people for misgendering sex offenders, it all looks about as on trend as "live laugh love" wall decals.

It's like something out of Monty Python.

NecessaryScene · 19/02/2025 06:35

educating us on why we should be focusing on ace/aro worker issues in the workplace

I do quite enjoy the "meta" framing there. It smells like they couldn't actually think of any "ace/aro worker issues", so they're not going to actually talk about them, they're going to educate you on why you should be focusing on them.

I think I'll join in by telling them why they should be educating you on focusing the issues.

And I won't let anyone dissuade me from telling them why they should be educating you on focusing on the issues.

BezMills · 19/02/2025 07:29

I agree with the comment above, Ace and Aro should be the default at work for everybody. Come to work on time, dressed appropriately and ready to do your shift - there's absolutely no need to discuss your sex life (or lack thereof) or your complicated feelings about romantic and sexual attraction to your place of work.

ArabellaScott · 20/02/2025 20:22

https://x.com/DarlingtonUnion

'Enough is enough. The UK's biggest trade union
@unisontheunion
no longer supports women who don't want to undress in front of men at work.

The Darlington Nurses have therefore faced no alternative but to start their own union to protect women in the workplace. Their case, supported by the Christian Legal Centre, began when a man without warning, identifying as 'Rose' and backed by an NHS policy, began using the female changing room at Darlington Memorial Hospital. The nurses raised concerns with HR, but instead of being supported, were told they needed to ‘broaden their mindset’ be more ‘inclusive’, 'compromise' and get 're-educated.' The Darlington Nursing Union (DNU) is believed to be the first of its kind and has now been launched with three founding principles:

Equality and respect for all workers regardless of their protected characteristics (including both gender reassignment and biological sex).

Securing and defending workers’ rights, dignity and decency at the workplace (including in particular access to safe single-sex areas for changing and hygiene, and protecting women from inappropriate exposure to members of the opposite biological sex).

The right to raise concerns about any genuine workplace issues without fear of retribution, and to have such concerns addressed promptly, constructively and reasonably.

The union is free and it can run alongside any other union membership. It is also not just for nurses and any healthcare professional can join.

If you are a worker who believes in biology, not trans ideology, and want women's spaces protected, don't suffer in silence, get in touch and join the Darlington Nursing Union (DNU).

Direct messages are open or contact [email protected] .

Courageous NHS Fife nurse, Sandie Peggie, has recently joined... '

mrshoho · 20/02/2025 20:37

I wish them well with their upcoming case and with this brand new union. I hope in time it will open to members in education and other sectors. Unison, Unite and others take note!!!

needmoresheep · 20/02/2025 21:09

I fear that Unison, Unite etc are ‘womenphobic’.

ghostofadog · 20/02/2025 23:02

I've been Unison member for 20 years, looks like that is about to come to an end. Wonder if it's worth contacting my local branch first to see what their view is as I've never had any indication that they're on board with the gender nonsense.

SkiingIsHeaven · 20/02/2025 23:41

Did they actually read what they wrote?

ElizaMulvil · 09/03/2025 10:43

Incidentally one of the first Unions was the Match Girls Union, formed 1888 after the successful strike at Bryant and May ( a Quaker company!) for better conditions at work and against unfair deductions of pay. It became the largest Union for women and girls in the country and inspired a huge increase in the number of Unions

Over half the women working there were 14-18 ( 2 under 14) largely Irish or of Irish decent. You have to be in awe of the tenacity of these teenagers.

An occupational disease that affected those who worked with white phosphorus was phosphorus necrosis of the jaw, also known as phossy jaw. Phossy jaw developed by inhalation of phosphorus vapour—particularly when the ingredient was heated—which caused osteonecrosis of the jaw bone.[13] This manifested itself in, initially, toothaches and flu-like symptoms, then tooth loss, abscesses, swelling of the gums, the formation of fistula and necrosisof the jaw.[14] Mortality was reported in around 20 per cent of cases.

Blueredyellowgreen · 17/05/2025 10:49

KnottyAuty · 11/02/2025 20:23

Vote with your feet and your subscriptions.
75% (that is 3 out of 4 members) are women.
Boycott the conference
Find another union
Stop being "good girls" and accepting bad behaviour?
Sorry I wouldn't put a penny in their pockets if it were me.
What are you paying them for?

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