Labour shelves plans to make gender change easier

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www.thetimes.com/article/04892a42-1268-4b74-a818-7289c7a0e97e?shareToken=cb138edd47fe74c222687c5a68d2fb76

@IwantToRetire agree with everything in your post

Labour are really struggling, they can't get a hold of the economic downward trajectory they've caused

They won't be able to deal with trafficking as promised

The polls go down each week

This stuff is way too hard to deal with

Sounds like it's a mix of this not being palatable to the electorate any more, and Labour having enough of a majority to ignore the transactivist MPs who might want to push this.

The last paragraph in Sonia Sodha's opinion piece in the Observer today - my bolding:

"There is a cautionary tale from across the Atlantic, where Democrats’ stubborn and unpopular defence of men’s rights to self-identify into women’s sport has dropped the unlikeliest of moral victories into President Donald Trump’s lap, allowing a man accused of serious sexual assault to somehow position himself as a defender of women’s rights. Abandoning basic common sense for unpopular policies that put women at risk does not go well for the left."

Is the penny starting to drop with others in the Labour party?

(Sonia Sodha was a senior adviser to Ed Miliband when he was Leader of the Opposition, remember.)

If the government couldnt get self id implemented in 2017, theres no hope now, regardless of the party in charge. It had to be completed before people understood the process and implications - in 2017 newspapers were claiming GRA required invasive surgery and no safeguarding risk - thats harder to claim now.

So in reality, labour has quietly shelved a policy that was never going to work. Starmer will never want to repeal the GRA because he believes in gender ideology. What they will have to do instead is respond to court cases and safeguarding fails.

It would be great to get a clear statement about what exactly is female/women only spaces. We need the government to say that organisations cannot work within their own definitions of woman and female. But i think we are further away from that than we have ever been.

If we look at the case of Sandie Peggie and Dr Upton, it seems impossible for him to have a GRC (this hasn't been publicly stated one way or the other, but people have been looking at how/whether/when he could have got one and concluded that he couldn't). And yet he self-ID'd into the changing rooms and NHS Fife has been prepared to go to tribunal over it.

Self-ID is already here and allowed by institutions that should know better.

@duc748

Yes. Exactly that.

“A third source referenced the fronts on which the government is already defending its position, such as winter fuel payments, the economy and inheritance tax, and said: “Why would we open that particular can of worms for ourselves at this particular moment?” “

“Ministers also intended to drop the requirement that people live as their preferred gender for two years before obtaining a certificate. Doing so would have meant amending the Gender Recognition Act, and there is little appetite within the party to reopen that debate in public.”

Self-ID is already here and allowed by institutions that should know better.

Exactly and that is why so many SEENs have been set up. And its not just the NHS is Scotland where just about everybody and everything seems to have been rainbowed.

The next fight is in fact challenging all those institutions, media outlets, etc., who smallowed the Stonewall lies.

With or without a result from the FWS court case, this has to happen as too many women and children are suffering because so many institutions swallowed the lie and sold women out.

Starmer has been rolling back the Corbyn years for some time now, but he's having to take his whole party with him. (Something similar was happening with the Tories when Maria Miller was the minister insisting that TWAW.)

I think British women have done a great job of grassroots organising and getting this stuff rolled back without waiting for a political party to swoop in and save us. The TRAs thought they could capture organisations and sneak this in as a fait accompli, but we've collectively fought back and done it with dignity.

GO US. Now let's carry on rallying around Sandy Peggy and the Darlington nurses. The term we used to use was "Puuulllllll."

It does say a government source at the end.

A government source said: “If we’re going to push back against Reform this is the kind of thing we need to be doing rather than reforms to the Gender Recognition Act which would be catnip for Farage.”

Starmer just goes with the flow on this issue, he has already changed tack a few times. The important thing is to keep up the pressure on him.

This is my question too

What's to stop this happening atm?

If a man uses a CR can a woman be suspended for saying no?

Good. It's another brick being removed from this monstrous edifice. Eventually wobbly Starmer will be asked about whether men should be in changing rooms, showers etc with girls and women.
We'll have to see what new responses his handlers have taught him after his "don't mention cervixes and this is the most vulnerable group evah"... attracted such well deserved ridicule.

Labour has been shifting its position for about a year before the election. It's not a recent thing.

Some of us on here were saying that the trans issue wouldn't stop Labour winning the election.

Some of us were saying that they wouldn't abandon the new position because of a few daft MPs - some of whom are now Independents.

We were told we just didn't know how ordinary people felt and no way were Labour going to get elected.

Now we're being told Labour can't win the next election - which is unlikely to be before 2029.

Do people ever think about their previous failed predictions before making new ones?

Excellent news. I’ll never regain respect for the Labour Party, but I’m glad they’re finally starting to back away from this shit show.

Now we're being told Labour can't win the next election - which is unlikely to be before 2029.

Tbf, plenty of people were saying that before the last election; that it'd be a one-term affair for Labour. So that's hardly a new thing.

I wouldn't be so sure Labour will get another term. They've squandered their lead in record time already.

As for predicting what would happen it was clear Labour's policies would drive support for Reform

That is happening already. If anyone looks at the polls since the GE

They need to repeal the GRA. They need to stop letting men into women’s changing rooms and sport. It’s what working class people want.

But they can't do that, cos it'd be a gift for Farage!

(other motives are also available)

Yes, I was certain that Labour were going to win the 2024 election. But I always believed it would just be for one term. I believe that even more strongly now. However, I have changed my prediction about who will actually win the next election.

I may have overestimated the extent to which this issue impacted the UK election but, if anything, I underestimated how much it would impact the US election...

Labour will get shot by both sides if they bring in these reforms as TRAs regard them as a sell out as it is not true self id.

There is no way they will spend all that effort on reforms that will please no one.

Good stuff.👍

Saw this coming a mile off.

Although a bit of a thread derail, the point it Labour didn't win the election. The Tories lost the election. Starmer got into power on fewer votes than each of the times Corbyn stood at a GE.

So what is more important is what happens in both the Tory and Reform Party - or they reach an agreement to each stand at the next GE, but agree to form a coalition and so easily out strip any votes that Labour might get.

Also a story floated by the media so probably has as much truth as the article this thread is meant to be about!