Labour shelves plans to make gender change easier

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www.thetimes.com/article/04892a42-1268-4b74-a818-7289c7a0e97e?shareToken=cb138edd47fe74c222687c5a68d2fb76

Conversion therapy ban still going ahead, but no more self-id by the back door

How interesting. Bit by bit they are effectively leaving the changes by the last government in place.

To me, it shows that this really is an issue that crosses the aisle of politics.

My problem with this is that self ID basically already exists because organisations aren't asking for GRCs. My workplace celebrated this month's theme (LGBT history, IIRC) by reminding all staff that we can use facilities which match our gender identity.

I say, let them have GRCs for free, complete with a picture of a rainbow and space for some glitter. But change the law so 'woman' definitely just refers to 'adult human female' and, instead of 'allowing' single sex exemptions, list the spaces you'd expect should be that (toilets, changing rooms, hospital wards, prisons, support groups, etc). Mixed sex facilities can be given in addition rather than instead of.

While I don't have a problem with GRCs, it shouldn't be possible to falsify birth certificates.

Excellent news.

I recall many posts pre GE with people adamant that Starmer would keep men out of women's changing rooms

How come we're seeing the current tribunal

My problem with this is that self ID basically already exists because organisations aren't asking for GRCs. My workplace celebrated this month's theme (LGBT history, IIRC) by reminding all staff that we can use facilities which match our gender identity.

and this is 100% the problem. Stonewall has told pretty much every public body and institution and every large corporate organisation that legally they have to jet men use women’s facilities & that they should be treated in every way as a woman

this will take years and many more court cases to root out

I believe that’s from things that started in 2023. It takes ages for things to get to court

"Streeting said at the weekend that the NHS must get “back to basics” rather than focusing on “daft nonsense”. He wrote in The Sun on Sunday: “How is it that the value of equality became so distorted that one member of NHS staff, tweeting a job ad, described part of her practice as ‘anti-whiteness’?
“How is it that, in the name of inclusion, the word “woman” has been erased from many NHS documents?”

And the fact that it's not some Damascene conversion, but rather panic, and fear of Farage.

Blimey. I wonder which one it is: he's had a Damascene conversion to reality, or he's seen the way that the wind's blowing and where that might take his career?

I posted before reading this, but we've clearly had the same thought! 😂

I suspect the latter more so.... and because he has a political brain.

Both can be true. Encouraging if it's now recognised that genderwoo is the unpopular choice, and not the side of history that wins elections.

It's more the rest of them, though. At least Streeting has spoken clearly, and taken action where he can. But plenty in Labour won't let go of genderwoo.

Thanks for the link op. If this is correct then, regardless of what their motives are, I am delighted for women.

Its all self id already.

There's a two year wait for a change of birth certificate, but all other id can be changed immediately and, as others have pointed out, organisations dont tend to differentiate between trans people with or without a GRC.

The GRC process relies on the diagnosis process being robust. But there's no information about this - how many fail to get a diagnosis, for example.

Im please labour seems to be getting cold feet about modernising the process, but keeping the current system isnt good enough. Jess phillips should understand this as safeguarding lead.

It is going to be step by step and incremental.

Now we can push for clarification of 'Sex'.

It's crazy to allow people to change (rather than add to, or amend) birth certificates. And the fact that plenty of countries may have passed laws to allow this doesn't make it any less daft.

Completely agree that the current system also needs an overall, but just relieved that it's not getting any worse.

And that it is finally being noticed that it is an unpopular political decision.
(Also note to self - use Damascene more regularly in everyday speech)

It needs an overhaul, it's not worried about getting splattered with paint
#tired

@Theeyeballsinthesky do you mean men can longer go into women's CR?

Is there a change in legal status that backs this up?

I'd have preferred it if the article had quoted some names rather than anonymous 'multiple sources' and 'insiders'. But I assume The Times wouldn't publish unless they were confident it was correct.

Maybe Labour, unlike the Democrats, can still remember how to read a room.

I would see this as I think as what is called (I think) a "kite flyer".

And also suspect that it is the Times wanting to really lay it on thick about Reform. Any notional lead that Reform has is about asylum seekers, nothing what so ever to do with self id.

And doubt that many in the UK will have any detailed knowledge of Trump's EO although many have some sympathy re women's sport.

I think Labour is a bit overwhelmed at the moment.

Everything that is meant to be part of their new dawn doesn't seem to work, and they are trudging through treacle to make an impact.

And much as the trans community might hate it, I think that for Labour having a few rainbow flurries about Labour letting them down, will not be half as worrying for them as not being able to persuade the financial market they know what they are doing, and them not being able to stop the small boats.

Will wait to see by the end of the week if this is still in the news.

If it is there might be an interesting fight with the W&EC who will probably get very upset!

Now we can push for clarification of 'Sex'.

This may be the other reason. If they suspect that the FWR Scotland JR is in fact going to come down in favour of clarifying the word sex in the EA.

Although even if Labour says they will do it, I suspect that some Labour MPs will put up a good fight to stop an ammended EA going through the House of Commons.

Does anyone know how long it is now until the Judges give their verdict?

"Why would we open that particular can of worms for ourselves at this particular moment?”
The can has been open for years - why haven't you addressed it before?!