Stonewall change definition of transphobia - questioning gender identity ok now

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Huge climb down. Looks like those pesky terf women were right all along AGAIN.

Saying that trans women are men is no longer "transphobic" according to Stonewall.

Dennis give good analysis and provides text:
1/ The gender borg have every right to be furious with @stonewalluk for sneakily ditching their belief in gender identity in their new definition of transphobia. Political transvestitism holds that men in dresses have soul-like female gender identities - Stonewall now denies this
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1885735444836388921.html

The reverse weasel move is an attempt to find a safe place to claim lost ground, but opens them up to attack from TA fanatics as well as looking more absurd to normal people. They staked everything on hating women and gay people and now want to retreat when it is unpopular.

Their heads must be swimming. What's left of their raison d'etre now I wonder?

Huge number of other redefinitions and alterations. Stonewall have committed mass gendercide by dropping a whole bunch of terms.

Ruthless elimination of:
gender-variant, genderless, nongender, third gender, bigender, neutrois

Thread on changes:
https://x.com/adammcarter/status/1885724978860970422

They are pathetic aren’t they. Laughable. Trying to save their sinking ship. It was almost, predictable..

It is important to remember that Stonewall is a mix of true believers and people just interested in pay cheques. They will change their beliefs to whatever makes them cash. Cash which they take from our taxes:;

https://www.taxpayersalliance.com/stonewall_subsidy_2024

Must be due to all those wallets slamming shut.

Ruthless elimination of:
gender-variant, genderless, nongender, third gender, bigender, neutrois

I remember seeing in Stonewall's list of Trans terms an admission that they couldn't define 'neutrois'. Wording that is long gone and which I didn't archive or screenshot (because I'm crap at that).

Oh dear, how will the Guardian cope with this? How will IPSO cope with this? They have been so invested in pretending that male rapists are women, on Stonewall's say-so.

They're all panicking

Read this thread....!

x.com/amayadeakins/status/1885455027629666574?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

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Hi, gender affirming care expert and @ wpath member here. I want to take time to remind everyone that the current #detrans rates are estimated to be+/-30 percent. This doesn't include those who #desist or continue to transition. This means that you those who detrans are valid and

Should receive support and treatment just like those who transition. I do not want anyone to be harmed by the practice of #GAC However this appears to be the case for some adolescents. I call on @ wpath leadership to develop detrans psychological And medical treatment protocols.

And it goes on in a similar fashion

Lots of money to be made in the clean up process. 😕

They’ve caused so much harm, to women, children and young people especially.

They should be held accountable. I wonder if someone has the capacity to/ resources to start making the links.

It seems significant that Stonewall has dropped 'denying someone's gender identity' from the definition of transphobia.

After all, this is what IPSO, BBC and pretty much every journalist have slavishly stuck to, even to the ludicrous position of calling male murderers 'she'.

So if Stonewall has dropped this and it is no longer transphobic to correctly sex someone, then why are IPSO the BBC and all the rest still following an outdated position that even Stonewall has turned its back on?

Stonewall have committed mass gendercide by dropping a whole bunch of terms.

Love "gendercide".

I'm disappointed they've dropped "bigender", which always made me think of the Big-Endians in Gulliver's Travels.

Oh fantastic! I wonder if all these university HR policies will be updated now? Can’t wait!
Will probably wait a long time for an apology to university academics who have been called transphobic just for stating facts, though …

Stonewall should now be disbanded, or at the very least subsumed into some obscure review group that will knock any more of their daftness right on the head.

Amazed at the power they had/have to quasi legislate for the behaviour of so many. Mad isn't it. With no democratic parliamentary mandate either.

Out if interest - does anyone know where the 30% figure is from ?

I don't (Google turns up all sorts of different figures, but not 30 percent), and I'm also puzzled by the use of "+/-30 percent".

If Deakins meant "about 30 percent" she could have written "circa 30%" or something like that. But "+/- 30 percent" only makes sense in the context of another figure. You could say, for example, "Detransition rates are 50%, plus or minus 30%". That would be a hell of a wide margin of error, but it would make mathematical sense, which the term "+/-30 percent" doesn't on its own.

RoyalCorgi · Today 20:11

Why, it's almost as if the gender expert propagandists are actually inexpert bullshitters, or something.

It may be this study

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35452119/

Our results suggest that >70% of TGD individuals who start gender-affirming hormones will continue use beyond 4 years, with higher continuation rates in transfeminine individuals. Patients who start hormones, with their parents' assistance, before age 18 years have higher continuation rates than adults.

It's briefly discussed here

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9516050/

It’d be amazing if eg K Stock brings this up and asks for an apology, and her job back.. (not that she’d want it)..

We need JKR to put out a tweet. It doesn’t need to saying anything, just copy the Stonewall blurb..

So if Stonewall has dropped this and it is no longer transphobic to correctly sex someone, then why are IPSO the BBC and all the rest still following an outdated position that even Stonewall has turned its back on?

Not to mention all the righteous scolders who come onto this board to express their outrage at "denying the gender identity" of male people who claim to be lesbians.
Stonewall has just "de-existed" them.

Patients who start hormones, with their parents' assistance, before age 18 years have higher continuation rates than adults.

God that is sinister. Poor poor children (and parents). They’re on a pathway and they can’t get off.

Do they still define gay as homo-genderal?

Will the rules on here change to reflect this, I wonder? I can't imagine why they wouldn't, but you never know.

I'd be more impressed if they had said there's no such word as transphobic.

Oh my word.

Given how influential Stonewall have been in driving genderism and how influential this shift will therefore be, I'm not inclined to interrupt them in the process of reverse-ferreting.

Just to keep very good receipts.