The Guardian, on Trump's EO re: gender ideology

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Did anyone else notice that the Guardian has at last caught up with this discussion, and supplied exactly the tropes one expected of them:
Sex is really complicated, too complicated for you plebs to comprehend.
Now we're all female, because early embryos are not yet morphologically sex-differentiated , ha ha ha!
If Trump is allowed to say male and female are different, it gives him carte blanche to take away female's rights, just like the Taliban.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jan/25/trump-executive-order-sex

It was the most read opinion piece this morning but not open for comments. Nor did they solicit letters for the letters page.

Tragically, all the unmasking threads were deleted. I remember it happened when there was some kind of massive Mumsnet meet-up. The site was very different then. All green fields etc

Oh, God. Here is that brainless Guardian columnist with her idiotic retort to the "transphobes".
She has to mention her wife, because naturally in her mind her gender realist critics are not gay themselves, do not have gay family member, and are generally right-wing bigots.

Brainwashing children, Guardian

I wonder how much she is being paid to write this rhubarb.

I've had Guardian reading husband and Guardian reading son separately do the "ha ha we're all female" thing at me this week.
They know more about it now than they did from reading the Guardian.

What conclusions did they end up with?

DP keeps going on about DSDs arghhh how do i knock it out of him?? (Figuratively of course)

I think I might have bored them into submission. I have a relevant degree, they don't.

Hmm i hope they believed, not just did it to keep the peace... looks like DP is going that way... he's BORED of the subject of women's rights 🤬

Can we ask what you said, please? It might be real handy.

My husband did that. Because I was only giving him information in pieces. On an afternoon walk I spent a little time explaining why it was important and how wide the impact was. He hadn’t put it all together. I have since caught him telling other blokes about what has been happening.

Along the lines of this:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1883541430788092054.html

Chersfrozenface · 26/01/2025 10:49

Not to mention scientific illiteracy akin to flat-earthism.

As I posted on the explanatory Twatter thread: I'd like to coin a phrase - Scientific Illiterism.

I emailed QI twice about this ridiculous, utterly unscientific claim, many years ago. I got a rude, patronising reply, telling me I didn't know what I was talking about and then, a stout ignoring.

great. I love Emma’s threads. I saw this one when she tweeted.

Glad to see what kind of arguments you used successfully. Thanks

SionnachRuadh · 26/01/2025 12:52

There's a mischievous part of me that would like to see how the Graun would respond were Trump to self-ID as the first woman president.

They'd shit a kidney? I mean, it's slightly more likely than changing sex, let alone most (ie virtually none) scientists agreeing that sex is on a spectrum.

Unless they're watching porn on an antedeluvian computer?

Thirty pieces of silver is the going rate, I believe

Let’s hope it doesn’t end in quite the same way.

I cancelled my 14 year Guardian sub last year in protest at the asinine, idiotic Jonathan Liew (sp?) sports correspondent on Feb 14 '24 spitting nasty, condescending feathers at the horrible women saying 'no' to men in women's sports.

The amusing thing is the guy on the subs desk who I phoned to cancel the sub, when he asked the obligatory 'could you give us an idea as to why you're cancelling such a long subscription?'- completely, openly agreed with me! I think I used the term 'lefty Koolaid', too 🤭

The amusing thing is the guy on the subs desk who I phoned to cancel the sub, when he asked the obligatory 'could you give us an idea as to why you're cancelling such a long subscription?'- completely, openly agreed with me! I think I used the term 'lefty Koolaid', too

This is it, isn't it? As with Health professionals who have to ask men if they might be pregnant. A whole lot of people agree that a lot of the trans stuff is absolute bollocks hogwash, but we have to keep silent. So while the Trans are demanding their rights we have to forgo ours, we have to censor ourselves in case we get hounded out of jobs or clubs or generally ostracized.

I can't pinpoint any currently, but have read several. I bookmarked them so will have a look.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/30/trans-people-federal-prisons

About TW prisoners moved from women's jails:

from the article:
"Officers went to trans women’s cells one by one and ordered them out, according to one incarcerated resident, a trans man housed with the women"

So trans men are in women's prisons, not men's prisons. Then why weren't TW in men's prisons - according to the logic, they cannot both be in the same part of the jail?

“The officials were degrading them and saying disgusting things, like: ‘We don’t have to call you women anymore. Where you’re going, you’re going to be a man.’”
(....)
“People are terrified they’re going to be deliberately put in housing where their chances of being sexually assaulted are extremely high,” he said. “There is no question that as a result of this policy, there will be more rapes.”

There were comments, though, that the prison guards were intentionally cruel. I think that's not right, prisoners have rights to be treated humanely. But there are complaints that TW are going to be placed in solitary confinement (temporarily?) because there is no clear place for them and probably to protect them from men in men's prisons, too.

"He said the women were taken to segregated housing, a form of solitary confinement similar to placements people face when they are being disciplined."

It is clear that they are separated for now because they can't be in either place, and not for disciplination, as prisons weren't built with a third space. But the writing is very suggestive.

Not one word on the terror of women prisoners being locked up with men, or the assaults that happened to the women due to this previous policy.

I think that trans women prisoners requested a move to a women's prison. Presumably trans men didn't do that. It would be incredibly dangerous for them. Just like in sport where Quinn, the Canadian international soccer player, came out as a trans man but kept playing for the ladies.

@Arran2024
I can totally understand that.

It is just very illogical according to gender logic to have all three, tm, tw and women in the same place.
But that makes clear again that what unites tm and women is that they cannot be in men's jail, so why did officials permit tw (a.k.a. men) in women's spaces? There is just no logic and giant loopholes once more.

“The officials were degrading them and saying disgusting things, like: ‘We don’t have to call you women anymore. Where you’re going, you’re going to be a man.’”
(....)

There were comments, though, that the prison guards were intentionally cruel. I think that's not right, prisoners have rights to be treated humanely.

And yes, this does genuinely sound like transphobia - which the Transactivists have probably brought on themselves by insisting that they are women, pissing a good majority of people off in the process including those TWs who don't go barging into women's toilets or demanding to take part in women's races.

I cannot believe though that there isn't space in parts of the men's prison estate to house them.

The American prison system is a disgrace - one of the highest rates of incarceration in the world, a tolerance of dehumanising abuse (including sexual abuse) both by inmates and staff, disproportionate rates of black prisoners.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States

As far as I know, Biden did nothing to tackle that.

“People are terrified they’re going to be deliberately put in housing where their chances of being sexually assaulted are extremely high,” he said. “There is no question that as a result of this policy, there will be more rapes.”

God, it's so ingrained, they can't even see it.

Didn't they think women might be terrified they were going to be deliberately put in housing where their chances of being sexually assaulted were extremely high, too??

Didn't they think women might be terrified they were going to be deliberately put in housing where their chances of being sexually assaulted were extremely high, too??

They might have thought of it, they might not have thought of it. Either way, they didn't care. Women aren't real people, after all.