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"NHS Fife nurse allowed to call trans doctor a man during employment tribunal"

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AnotherAngryAcademic · 24/01/2025 20:36

I've not read the decision yet - but this seems promising!

I actually think that the Dr Upton's request to be called "Dr Upton" if pronouns can't be agreed on is reasonable, although if the judge had simply decided that titles should be used it would have been a bit ambiguous as "Dr" is both sex and gender neutral. For example, if it had been another nurse asking to be called "Miss Upton" it would not be as straightforward - so it is useful that the claimant can say "he" if necessary.

(Use of "Dr Upton" also emphasises the hierarchal element of the relationship between the parties, which may well be relevant in the case.)

I also think it is no bad thing to specify that the tribunal will intervene if male pronouns are “used gratuitously and offensively on a repeated basis with no good reason to do so” - I can't imagine that this would be done deliberately, but it will be interesting to see what, if any, use will be considered "offensive" by the tribunal as this is something that is often discussed.

Link: https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/scottish-politics/5169032/nurse-nhs-fife-trans-doctor-tribunal/

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similarminimer · 28/01/2025 23:23

anyolddinosaur · 28/01/2025 08:55

It has not yet been established that Dr Upton had any right to be in female spaces without the consent of those present.

so I'll amend that to

"Kemp added that Dr upton and his lawyers “may wish to reflect” on whether it was “necessary or appropriate” for Dr Upton to use female pronouns, even though they are legally permitted to do so. He added that "Dr Upton should consider if it is gratuitously offensively and harassment to do so on a repeated basis”.

Brava

Peregrina · 28/01/2025 23:41

Baroness Nicholson refers to the "Legal Fiction of a Gender Recognition Certificate", but even if Dr Upton has obtained one now, he certainly didn't have one at the time of Ms Peggie's complaint, so male pronouns should be perfectly acceptable because that is what he was (and still is).

ILikeDungs · 01/02/2025 10:54

Heads up: the tribunal’s 10-day hearing is scheduled to begin on February 3rd

MarieDeGournay · 01/02/2025 11:14

Justme56 · 27/01/2025 17:08

The Baroness has sent a letter.

Mic drop. This should be on a t-shirt😂

Mmmnotsure · 01/02/2025 14:47

ILikeDungs · 01/02/2025 10:54

Heads up: the tribunal’s 10-day hearing is scheduled to begin on February 3rd

More details on "NHS Fife tries to silence nurse" thread

Mmmnotsure · 01/02/2025 14:53

ickky · 28/01/2025 20:12

What do you think our chances are of observing remotely next week?

The Edinburgh ET email to apply for online access is
[email protected]

The hearing bas been moved to Dundee. The Edinburgh ET email may still work to get an answer The email for Dundee is:
[email protected]

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Re: 4104864/2024 - Peggie v Fife Health Board

Skoolzforthickos · 18/02/2025 22:13

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Greyskybluesky · 18/02/2025 22:29

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Biology and anatomy are indicators of sex, not gender.

napody · 18/02/2025 22:35

Justme56 · 27/01/2025 10:09

I thought TT just reported background and what was said in the tribunal. It’s all factual stuff and never noticed any ‘opinion’ pieces.

And the particularly dogshit thing about that article is that it doesn't mention that Sandie Peggie was SUSPENDED FROM HER JOB for complaining about having to share the women's changing room with a man. That's what the case is about! It made it sound as if she'd just spontaneously got up a campaign to take him to court.

Skoolzforthickos · 19/02/2025 02:19

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Greyskybluesky · 19/02/2025 09:14

Ah, I see. That poster lived up to the last part of their user name!

BezMills · 19/02/2025 12:07

more heat than light in the deleted post to be honest, we shan't miss it

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