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This is a paltry sentence for gang of rapists, isn’t it? In the Netherlands.

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Cailleach1 · 14/01/2025 21:53

A year ago, four youths brutally gang raped a homeless woman (multiple times and in multiple rounds) in a park in Helmond (The Netherlands). They are now between 17 and 18 years of age.

Three of them have been sentenced to 15 months, and one to 12 months in a Youth Detention Centre. They can get it reduced by 3 months in certain circumstances. A fifth chap has been given 4 months in juvenile detention because he was only found guilty of sexual assault.

Judge basically said these violent rapists were just misguided. I don’t think someone who is a violent rapist is just misunderstood if they brutally gang rape a vulnerable woman like that. I don’t think the poor woman really got much justice. Judge seems to think the gang rapists are the ones who need a helping hand.

“In this case, the four suspects convicted of gang rape were all “unaccompanied, minor foreigners,” the court noted, saying, “they still need a great deal of help and guidance in functioning in Dutch society.” They were also ordered to pay nearly 15,500 euros in compensation to the victim.”

archive.ph/zETM6

nltimes.nl/2025/01/14/four-convicted-gang-rape-homeless-woman-spend-15-mos-youth-detention

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myplace · 14/01/2025 22:02

Imagine. They hadn’t yet been taught not to behave that way. I’m afraid if you don’t know that already, there’s not much hope for you.

User8971 · 14/01/2025 22:09

fucking hell

Upstartled · 14/01/2025 22:14

Oh yeah, where do they come from in which they need to be educated not to grab a woman off a bench, bind her hands, batter her and rape her? And if it is to be considered worthy of mitigation, perhaps someone should think about making it the very first thing they teach upon arrival.

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 14/01/2025 22:18

Any male who needs to be specifically taught that gang raping a vulnerable woman in a public park is wrong needs to be immediately deported to a special concrete island that is populated entirely by other males. Indefinitely.

Moonshine5 · 14/01/2025 22:20

This is absolutely disgusting and completely appalling news.

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Cailleach1 · 14/01/2025 22:20

Crimes against women (especially those types of crimes specifically against women) seem to be treated as if women were barely human. The aren’t taken very seriously, sentencing is pathetic and it is as if these poor fellows shouldn’t be blamed really. The woman is at fault simply for being there.

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Grammarnut · 14/01/2025 22:20

Appalling. Where did the judge get the idea the rapists need help? That's entirely awful and shows how little respect women in the Netherlands (or anywhere else) actually have. Judge needs rape explained to him/her.

EmpressoftheMundane · 14/01/2025 22:21

I wonder if they are truly minors.

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Cailleach1 · 14/01/2025 22:24

I think some are adults now anyway. But they are sentenced as juveniles (so some parts of the trial behind a closed door) as that is what they were when they viciously subjected this poor homeless woman to their collective gang rape.

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bumblebee1000 · 14/01/2025 22:24

proabably not minors and should be deported, no wonder the dutch have moved to the right, politically !

nocoolnamesleft · 14/01/2025 22:24

Bloody hell. How is this justice for that poor woman?

NoBinturongsHereMate · 14/01/2025 22:42

The Dutch courts have form for ridiculous leniency for crimes against women and girls. See their Olympic team last year, for example.

quixote9 · 15/01/2025 00:49

I lived in Holland for a while, quite a few years ago, and was amazed at the lenience of their sentencing. Six years for murder, for instance. But those sentences? For what those teens did? That's right off scale. Even for the Netherlands. Reminds me of the college swim team brat in the US and the judge worrying about the effect on the poor boy's future with the rape he committed on his record. The woman? That type of 'judge' can't see women with a telescope.

biscuitandcake · 15/01/2025 01:19

Steven van de Velde: Dutch beach volleyball player convicted of raping a child speaks out after Olympics inclusion uproar | CNN

Its not because they are migrants. If anything a white Dutch boy of the same age from a naice family would get less. The Dutch are very lenient on crime generally and especially too lenient on crimes against women/girls. The Dutch press reported much less on the Van de Velde case and when it did, it was with an air of bafflement that such a thing was causing such a stir abroad.

Regarding the "move to the right" Gerth Van Wilders and his party didn't seem particularly upset about this case either. And the more right wing news channels didn't report it at all. Because a white Dutch man attacking a foreign (in this case English) child is not a big deal in Dutch nationalist minds. The same way actually that Tommy Robinson isn't ever caught speaking out against English paedophiles that go to Thailand for example. Also, one of the defences given for the legalisation of prostitution in NL (mostly involving women from Eastern Europe or further away) is "it reduces the likelihood that men will rape." While there are conservative christian parties that are against prostitution, it isn't a priority for Wilders.

There are nice things about the Netherlands too. But this...

Dutch beach volleyball player convicted of raping a child speaks out after Olympics inclusion uproar | CNN

Dutch beach volleyball player Steven van de Velde, who was convicted of raping a 12 year old girl, spoke out for the first time since controversy over his admittance into the Olympic Games.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/15/sport/steven-van-de-velde-olympics-quit-intl-spt/index.html

biscuitandcake · 15/01/2025 01:21

Upstartled · 14/01/2025 22:14

Oh yeah, where do they come from in which they need to be educated not to grab a woman off a bench, bind her hands, batter her and rape her? And if it is to be considered worthy of mitigation, perhaps someone should think about making it the very first thing they teach upon arrival.

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They do do integration for immigrants. You have to pass an exam where you show that you are fine with 2 men kissing, with a woman being topless etc. Maybe they should also teach that having sex with women who don't want to have sex with you is wrong. But they would have to teach it to a lot of Dutch men too.

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 15/01/2025 01:49

Perhaps they can deport all the Dutch nationals to my special male only penal colony (penis colony?) too?

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 15/01/2025 01:53

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 15/01/2025 01:49

Perhaps they can deport all the Dutch nationals to my special male only penal colony (penis colony?) too?

😂 at "penis colony". It's a brilliant idea. We can send all the British rapists there too.

biscuitandcake · 15/01/2025 01:57

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 15/01/2025 01:53

😂 at "penis colony". It's a brilliant idea. We can send all the British rapists there too.

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People shall start complaining about the misandry on mumsnet again! "We need to look at who is doing these crimes. NO not like that!!!"

GreenTeaLikesMe · 15/01/2025 07:14

It's appalling.

How "convenient" that they all happen to be 17, too (curls lip cynically). I'd love to see some photographs of these "youths."

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 15/01/2025 09:55

I have to admit that this epidemic of violence against women is making me become more right wing.

I am now of the view that any foreign national, whatever their age or circumstances, who commits a violent crime against another person, should be deported immediately.

I'm not saying that we don't have home grown rapists and murderers in Western Europe too. Of course we do. But those ones are our problem. I don't see why the foreign ones should also be our problem.

We should be sending a message that violence against women is not tolerated in civilised countries. One strike and you're out. Permanently.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 15/01/2025 10:02

Cailleach1 · 14/01/2025 22:20

Crimes against women (especially those types of crimes specifically against women) seem to be treated as if women were barely human. The aren’t taken very seriously, sentencing is pathetic and it is as if these poor fellows shouldn’t be blamed really. The woman is at fault simply for being there.

Given that the woman in question was homeless, she probably didn't have anywhere safer to be.

That's probably another reason why the sentences were so light, because this woman doesn't have a lot of family and friends fighting her corner and demanding justice on her behalf.

caramac04 · 15/01/2025 10:07

That poor woman to be subject to such a callous gang rape, multiple times and beaten too.
Literally it feels like her horrific experience counts for nothing - the sentence more akin to that for a mugging without such violence.
I truly hope the victim received medical treatment, is having therapy and has somewhere safe to live.
I’d like to know more about the foreign rapists too, any proof of age, where did they come from and why can’t they be deported home.

TWETMIRF · 15/01/2025 10:08

Given that it's the Netherlands I'm surprised they got that long. A country that is happy to be represented by a paedophile on the world stage and who they didn't feel deserved jailing for raping a child.

username2851 · 15/01/2025 10:22

Absolutely despicable

biscuitandcake · 15/01/2025 10:26

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 15/01/2025 09:55

I have to admit that this epidemic of violence against women is making me become more right wing.

I am now of the view that any foreign national, whatever their age or circumstances, who commits a violent crime against another person, should be deported immediately.

I'm not saying that we don't have home grown rapists and murderers in Western Europe too. Of course we do. But those ones are our problem. I don't see why the foreign ones should also be our problem.

We should be sending a message that violence against women is not tolerated in civilised countries. One strike and you're out. Permanently.

I think rather than "should be deported immediately" it should be "deported after serving their sentence". Otherwise you get the Dutch volleyball player scenario where they are convicted, sent to their home country to serve their prison sentence and then immediately released.
The problem is, if you don't take sexual violence seriously. and don't have laws in place that do then you can't deal adequately with the foreign born rapists anymore than you can deal with the locally born rapists. Even if they "integrate" perfectly, they are still going to have the attitude that violence against women doesn't matter if thats the prevailing culture of their host country. I have/had quite a few friends in the Netherlands who were "moderate" muslims from a Morrocon background and they tended to be somewhat more socially conservative (moderate socially conservative) to an extent that mostly matched my own views on paedophilia/prostitution etc than some of my white Dutch friends. That might be because we were all mum friends at the same time. But it isn't the case that this casual attitude towards sexual violence is being imported into the country.
I am aware of the hypocrisy since I was an immigrant to the Netherlands, actively complaining about their laws and if I had had a magic wand I would have changed attitudes. Which I suppose makes me a bad immigrant. There were lots of things I liked, otherwise I would have "gone back to my own country" a lot sooner. But no-one ever said that to me for some reason...