Banned for hate speech

[MrsM1ggins]

Thought I'd share my ban story since there's a Reddit ban topic.

I got a 30 day suspension from a well known UK motoring forum for stating that 2 boxers at the Olympics in the female category were male and that the IOC claimed that it is too difficult to know what sex people are.

Then I was permanently banned for posting again on the same topic after it came out that Khelif was XY and I pointed out that he'd have known that since at least puberty.

PH moderation decisions are a joke and they don't even have the courage to allow a right of reply. It's not misogyny though, it's just plain cowardice. It's a controversial topic and they don't want anything said on the board that someone external might kick up a stink about so they delete any comments that dissent from the orthodoxy, even when the truth is plain to see.

Pathetic.

I'm sorry that's happened to you. MN is the only social media I use so my knowledge of moderation on other forums...fora discussion boards is lacking. From posts I've read the ban hammer does seem to come down very quickly and very hard on certain topics. I've only seen it mentioned concerning topics that could broadly be labelled 'GC' or, as they would probably have it, 'anti-trans'. Although I'd argue Khelif vehemently denies being transgender and would probably hate being conflated with that subject🤔

I'd love an AMA from someone who was employed as a moderator. Perhaps the problem is they're risk averse (IK has threatened legal action) or precariously employed or even volunteers. So can't be arsed arguing with the tras, who certainly patrol MN and probably other spaces, reporting others for wrong think.

I'm sure bans like this are pretty common. I got a month's ban from an Aussie forum for posting a link to the "she won" site that lists female athletes denied podium positions by males. Polite DMs to the moderators had no effect, except to promise a lifetime ban if further infractions were committed. So you can't reason with 'em.

Sorry to hear.

I've noticed on Facebook many people having to use words like "m€π" or "w0m£n" to get round their bans! Pathetic.

I'm certainly not the first woman to get a ban from a discussion forum for stating the obvious, but I take my hat off to the women who are fighting on the front lines, having to defend women's spaces and sports in their day to day lives. It can't be easy.

On the topic of bans.

My online, private women-only group has just lost its ban appeal against the largest advertising directory for the platform we are using. We were never told why we were banned, so we had to lodge an appeal completely in the dark and try and cover all the bases we could think of.

And of course, we were rejected without explanation.

I suspect our removal from the directory may have been vexatious, as we were (to my knowledge) the only secular male-exclusive group in the listings. However, this is pure speculation on my part. Even if we had been banned for some other reason, the end result is the same: we now have nowhere safe to advertise and have been driven underground.

The group owner wants to advertise on Reddit but I have strongly cautioned her against it.

It used to be like that around here! Believe.

It's only because Justine is a true friend of women, we can even mention in passing the existence of AGP.
The TRA/woke thought police are unbelievable powerful, yet claim to be "the most oppressed evah"

Reddit is run by American teenaged boys with no backbone. No integrity and no morals. The only power the have is their parent's shotgun.

It never used to be like that around here. 10 years ago, a mtf trans person posted a thread asking MNHQ to write "transphobia" into Talk Guidelines, defining it as any challenge to or disbelief at TWAW. A long thread followed and MNHQ ended up refusing to do what that trans person asked.

I got banned from a women's page on reddit for hate speech. Someone who was ftm trans was posting about vaginal issues and another poster told them to ask on a mens forum as they were ftm. I said it was appropriate for them to ask questions on the forum we were on (2 x chromosomes) as men don't have vaginas or 2x chromosomes so would not be able to help. I was then permanently banned from posting due to hate speech and when I appealed was told that 'many men have vaginas.'

Unsurprising. However I did spot that there was a thread in the last week on a subreddit where some of the comments were challenging on self-ID. They have stayed in place despite signs of push-back.

I disagree that it was never like that here. It certainly was.

Even a few years ago you would have been suspended or banned right here on Mumsnet for daring to say that transwomen are biological males, a "friend" was banned for daring to say that that the cyclist cosplaying as a woman was actually a biological male.

It has got better the last couple of years and you can "get away" with stating reality now, but from personal experience I know that posts get deleted for stating biological reality even with absolutely no inflammatory language.
Outright bans absolutely happened.

It never used to be like that around here. 10 years ago, a mtf trans person posted a thread asking MNHQ to write "transphobia" into Talk Guidelines, defining it as any challenge to or disbelief at TWAW. A long thread followed and MNHQ ended up refusing to do what that trans person asked.

Was that the regular poster one? I was posting then (under a different name) but must have missed it or confusing with something else.

The term "trans identified male" was flagged up at some Home Office committee as an example of transphobic hate speech on Mumsnet by Trans Media Watch. Shortly after, MN produced guidelines specific to discussing "sex and gender issues".

I have had posts removed on here for stating biological truth. But not lately. Sea change?

I’ve just received a temporary ban for hate speech. Someone on a science sub made a post about sex and gender, and somebody commented asking why the UK is so full of transphobic women. I replied that wanting to protect the rights of women and girls and to protect children from experimental treatments that lead to irreversible changes to their bodies isn’t transphobia.

According to Reddit I promoted ‘identity-based hate or attacks’. All comments that challenged the ideology have been deleted so the thread is now an echo chamber of RightThink.

And yet it’s apparently fine to host thousands of misogynistic subs that degrade women, and subs that promote paedophilia.

Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.

Happened to me too.

I wrote to Wikipedia pleasantly and factually to explain about Imane khelifs DSD - denied.

I commented on various TikTok's in the same vein. All comments deleted.

I used no insults, simply the actual truth.

I had wondered why what I thought was such a high percentage cheering on a male punching a woman, when I don't know a single person in real life with these views, and now I know.

It's all lies! Stay off Wikipedia and tiktok!

I didn't realise Wiki had fallen down the rabbit-hole too. It's disgraceful when places of reference start telling lies. I'm still seeing threads on my FB feed on IK (mostly from the Indy, which seems to have set its stall out as The Last Of The True Believers), but now, unlike a few months back, they are full of people saying, yeah, it's a guy with a DSD.

I'd really like to see those Olympic medals returned. No gongs should be given for men punching women.

Just skimming through it, the Wiki entry on IK is a disgrace. It would be one thing to say, no official info on test results in the public arena, or words to that effect, but they go much further, into the realm of outright lies and misinformation. Oddly enough, Wiki does concede that Caster Semenya is male, correctly noting the DSD. But will not concede it regarding IK.

Oddly enough, Wiki does concede that Caster Semenya is male, correctly noting the DSD. But will not concede it regarding IK.

Because it's come out in a court hearing with Semenya, whereas they can hide behind a definitive lack of proof for Khelif.

Certainly, but as I said, in the case of IK, they've really gone to town.

I always used to pay my £2 to wiki whenever they sent the email. Since IK I have been pressing 'No' with relish.

I have supported them too. Wiki gets some (rather snobbish, IMO) stick, but it's a valuable (and free) resource. This is a real disappointment.

It never used to be like that around here.

It absolutely did. Multiple long standing posters were banned for asserting that men could not be women. Using the wrong pronouns and refusing to back down led to banning too. Many women moved to FB groups so as to be able to speak freely. Was around 2016/17 at its worst, but there were many bannings for "hate speech" & "Transphobia".

Yes another "reddit bad" thread.

Reddit isn't a right-wing anything-goes website like twitter is. It has active moderation to cover racism/homophobia/transphobia/threats/etc. Get over it.

I'm also doubting OP isn't telling us the whole story on why they were banned. Was that all you said or did you slip in some hateful accusatory "AGP" comment as well? I've never seen anyone on reddit get banned for misgendering but I do report any and all of the "AGP" hate stuff I come across or derogatory slurs and that usually leads to a temp or perm ban for them.

I've never seen anyone on reddit get banned for misgendering

So you are there 24/7 across multiple threads/subs? Or are you the only mod who gets to do the banning? Otherwise you are just talking shit yet again.