Will 2025 will be the year the trans trend crashes?

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"Those of us who persist in believing that reality is real will grind our teeth, as we’re threatened by activists telling us to ‘be kind’ or else. But make no mistake, we are now finally winning."

How the Cass Review changed everything - spiked

Roll on 2025.

Great piece and good summary of important developments in 2024.

think this year was the one which marked a definite tipping point. Anyone not previously paying attention can hardly have failed to notice the degree of sunlight pouring in on this fucking car crash.

Yet another well written article from Jo Bartosch. And yes - the world is waking up to the horrendous abuse of children via this ideology and no amount of bullying is going to silence people - especially parents. Fingers crossed for a safer future for every one - especially the young.

I think this makes a piece with the Spiked article posted by the OP (apologies if it's already been posted elsewhere)

https://archive.ph/pNXiT

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/12/23/left-wing-loons-in-favour-of-puberty-blockers-missed-memo/

I'm hopeful but I'm not ready to crack open the champagne yet. There's still the PB trial, with an uncapped number of participants. I'll wait to see how that goes and all the outstanding court cases including the big one.

Another good article, thanks for sharing. It's not over by a long chalk but I'm feeling a lot more cheerful going into 2025 than I did going into 2024. All those fighting it need to keep on going, and I'll keep cheering them on.

Merry Christmas to all (especially the kids). 😁👊

That's a typically great article by Jo Bartosch, this caused me some mirth:

MPs and dribbling perverted morons on social media (undoubtedly there’s overlap between these groups).

I, too, am disturbed about the trial.

A very hard road lies ahead. This isn't over and it could be about to get worse.

Even if the trend falls away (I'm pessimistic about that), there is a very hard slog over many years to extirpate what has happened to captured organisations and in legislation.

I hope Jo is right, but the whole thing isn't falling apart quite as quickly as I'd liked. I'd sort of assumed there'd be a point where suddenly everyone who'd pushed this ideology goes quiet and pretends they'd never supported it in the first place. But I'm still seeing quite a lot of people - and organisations - peddling full on TWAW nonsense.

I'm not really sure Jo has got this right. Clare Page set it all out - and got blocked:

x.com/nosecretlessons/status/1868366545434333349?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

The above is based on the Telegraph article. Spiked came after and seems like something of a backpeddle as well as a digging in. Strange.

It's a well-written piece, nonetheless, I'm reluctant to give up my Cassandra ways and think that Jo B is over-optimistic. However, I would agree with JB that, by and large, journalists have much less control over the content and headlines than editors.

For editors, there are more senior editors who are guided by plausible political considerations about attributing the plaudits for the PB changes to Streeting rather than Atkins.

However, from that exchange, it looks like JB is acknowledging that article length and a lack of space to establish the timeline influenced the attribution to Streeting.

I'm with Jo Bartosch on this one. Clare Page objects that Veronica Atkins isn't mentioned, but given a tight word limit, Sajid Javid's commissioning of the Cass review is surely more significant than Atkins' banning of puberty blockers. It's also perfectly correct to describe Javid as Streeting's predecessor even if he wasn't the immediate predecessor.

Criticising the puberty blockers trial also seems a bit naive. It's one of the Cass review recommendations, in both the interim and final report. Picking and choosing which recommendations to adopt would be politically very difficult to justify.

The Cass recommendation on the PB trial is unethical. And obscuring history is wrong. This passage though is worrying:

““The review may have been a bit soggy in places. Cass used concepts and language that were straight out of the Stonewall handbook. She accepted there is such a thing as ‘transgender’ children, when there plainly isn’t. And she also laid the foundations for yet another controversial puberty-blocker experiment. But in the main, the Cass Review was a powerful piece of research.”“

If the very foundations are “soggy” how can what’s built on them be “powerful”?

And she also laid the foundations for yet another controversial puberty-blocker experiment. But in the main, the Cass Review was a powerful piece of research.”“
If the very foundations are “soggy” how can what’s built on them be “powerful”?

JB seems to be distinguishing

• the Cass Review (work by the York team with Cass and substantial consultation with stakeholders)
• the puberty blocker trial that has been in the works for some time.

I would agree that

• the Cass Review is high quality
• the ethical and physiological premise for a puberty blocker study that will deliver a useful contribution to the evidence base in this area seems substantially less well-grounded.

I have to caveat this by acknowledging that I can not have an informed opinion about the study until I've seen the methodology, the informed consent form, and (with luck) the sign-off by the relevant ethics body.

I hope that Trump shines some light on this issue. Yes, I know he's no friend to women, but surely we can use him for good on this one occasion?

We're stuck with him. We might as well make the best of it.

I think the problem with this article and others linked is they are as much about the individuals who wrote them, rather than factual.

Any of us, even those who dont put ourselves forward to right articles, but instead in a sisterly way share ideas on FWR(!), could reflect on the past year and say what was good what was bad.

But it is all very much part of an echo chamber, even down to the whole silly public criticism.

The reality is that to the world at large most people have no awareness of any of this, and even when events such as court cases make the headlines, it is still viewed as a side issue.

The whole be kind, why are women so strident, apolitical approach is the dominant one.

An indirect example being how many everyday people turn up to Price marches to cheer on queer advocates in pornified costume.

I suspect Wes Streeting and others have taken the lets not get to the situation of a court case against us.

But underneath all of this, thanks to the work of Stonewall and the slavish pumping out of their message, most of the population dont get the analysis that women's rights are being undermined, or (which is really odd) that the pressure to influence children is totally suspect.

Far more interesting would be to have done a survey and ask other women what do they think.

Writing about what you feel with no evidence that for instance court cases have change public opinion, is hardly the basis for an arguement let alone article.

Is there a history between Bartosch and Page? That feels too rancorous an exchange to have come from nowhere.

As for the article: I don't think this will ever be over.

Trans people have always existed and always will. I was going to ask if 2025 will be the year society gets bored of trans people, moves on, and finds another scapegoat to blame on all of the country's imperfections?

I hope so... I can't bear watching my ASD DD ten being dragged into this nonsense much longer.

Unless I missed it she didn’t mention the role that the massive over reach of trans/gender ideology played in Trump being elected, which is significant. Some democrats are digging in/doubling down but some now seem ‘brave’ enough to say the bleeding obvious like men playing in women’s sports isn’t popular with 99% of the population

Well 'trans' is definitely over in my daughter's school. Lots of eye rolling but no acknowledgment from them that my generation were right about the trend.
Still, I'll take it.

There's plenty of things to celebrate and we're no longer in 2015 but this ideology is still deeply embedded personally and institutionally in far too many places. The Tavistock continued to medically transition long after it had been publicly shamed, Nottingham recently tried to hire staff to follow WPATH guidelines and too many unthinking people are stuck on #BeKind. I hope it will unravel, but things are still very tangled.

I find it hard to be so positive, when so much has changed in the last couple of decades.

This ideology largely spread on Tumblr, fanfic, online anime and gaming communities- beyond the watchful eyes of parents or anyone in positions of power. It seemed to ‘come from nowhere’ to most people. What happened, very obviously, with Edinburgh Rape Crisis has happened in most organisations, businesses, educational establishments, charities, pressure groups, political parties, both informal and formal groups, where there is a membership model or a Stonewalled HR department.

’Looking inclusive’, ‘being progressive’, ‘doing the work’ to ‘stamp out inequality’, has become prioritised over qualification and competency in hiring and promoting people. This is because the online communities were very adept at organising to publicly shame and threaten with negative attention, any people or organisations which didn’t comply with their agenda, unless they obsequiously submitted and promised to ‘do better’. This means that powerful positions in many organisations are now held by unqualified, incompetent people, while more suitable or wise people have been witch-hunted and silenced. Look at Le Lech League.

So, yes, the politicians are now admitting there is a problem and doing things about it, but what of the flakey dry rot across the entire public sector, most charities and private organisations, crumbling the structures of society? If you take a beloved organisation like the BBC, it’s become an incompetent mess, being driven to the ground.

When male bodied people gtf out of women's spaces, sports and services then we might not have the need to talk about it.

Personally I'll never get "bored" talking about women's and girls' rights. Take your victim complex elsewhere.

I will not get bored of saying that biology is real, human beings cannot change sex, and male individuals do not belong in women’s loos, sports, rape crisis groups or prisons, @Christinapple.