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Court report implies mass rape of Giselle Pelicot was revenge by her husband because she had had an affair

65 replies

IwantToRetire · 23/12/2024 01:42

Dominique Pelicot may have recruited dozens of men to rape his drugged wife out of “revenge” for her having an extramarital affair, according to a written judgment by magistrates.

In the written judgment seen by Le Monde, the magistrates wondered whether Dominique Pelicot’s motives for abusing his wife and the choice of men recruited online were at least partially out of revenge for an affair Gisèle had with a work colleague.

They wrote that by specifically choosing each of the men on the basis of age, ethnicity, the size and shape of their sexual attributes, as well as collecting and storing several hundred hours of video footage of the assaults, “all contribute to feeding Dominique Pelicot’s perverse fantasies”.

They questioned Pelicot’s dismissal of revenge as a motive given that he “unequivocally confessed this desire for revenge to one of his contacts”.
“For her part, Gisèle Pelicot does not rule out the possibility of revenge,” they added.

Gisèle Picot mentioned the affair in court, saying it had gone on for some time and was the only extramarital relationship she had while her ex-husband had several.

She recounted how he had become furious when he found out.

From a longer article at https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/12/22/pelicot-drugged-wife-affair-revenge-rape-cold-cases-link/

Article in full at https://archive.is/IKwtA

This has made me so angry all over again. Angry

OP posts:
Thevelvelletes · 23/12/2024 02:01

Even if she had an affair his reaction is not justified or reasonable for obvious reasons.
Why was that even brought up ?

NotVeryFunny · 23/12/2024 03:59

Thevelvelletes · 23/12/2024 02:01

Even if she had an affair his reaction is not justified or reasonable for obvious reasons.
Why was that even brought up ?

Perhaps they have to include considerations of motive in their judgement? And it sounds like this point was specifically discussed during the trial assuming, what's been quoted above is correct.

Thevelvelletes · 23/12/2024 04:17

NotVeryFunny · 23/12/2024 03:59

Perhaps they have to include considerations of motive in their judgement? And it sounds like this point was specifically discussed during the trial assuming, what's been quoted above is correct.

Thanks I should have realised motive would be the reason.

Nat6999 · 23/12/2024 04:22

An affair is no justification to be drugged & raped, I still can't believe he only got 20 years, they should have locked him up for life & the same for any of the men who took part. Why didn't he just end the marriage if he found she had had an affair. I wonder if his claims are part of revenge for getting caught.

daisychain01 · 23/12/2024 04:41

Great, let's now have a smear campaign and drag up all the dross available because of course she deserved everything she got, because she had an affair with.

can you not see the madness of this situation OP? Do you really think she deserved what she got. If not, why are you creating a thread to malign the poor woman.

Yatzydog · 23/12/2024 04:55

Do you really think she deserved what she got. If not, why are you creating a thread to malign the poor woman.

Can we drop the idea of a perfect victim? So what if she had an affair. It doesn't malign her. It makes her human.

If negative attributes about a victim are hidden it contributes to the idea anything unpleasant about the woman negates or justifies what the man did.

I believe if it was mentioned in court, then it is relevant to mention in the judgement. But it is a different legal system, who knows.

Happyinarcon · 23/12/2024 05:06

You might need to decide if following this strange case is worth your mental investment. The media will craft this story like a soap opera to generate click bait.

PictureItSicily · 23/12/2024 06:04

daisychain01 · 23/12/2024 04:41

Great, let's now have a smear campaign and drag up all the dross available because of course she deserved everything she got, because she had an affair with.

can you not see the madness of this situation OP? Do you really think she deserved what she got. If not, why are you creating a thread to malign the poor woman.

I think the point is that he claimed this was an addiction and he was unable to stop, however actually it seems this may all have been a form of revenge.

No one here is claiming she is anything but the victim of an abhorrent crime, OP was just questioning his motive, as were the magistrates.

Datun · 23/12/2024 07:08

Was his wife's affair his motivation for upskirting all those women? Or the alleged rape of another woman? Or the alleged rape and murder of a third woman, for which he is to stand trial? Or abusing his own daughter and daughters in law?

He's a predatory, dangerous pervert who needs no excuse other than a day ending in Y.

Link to serial offending artice

amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/dec/19/dominique-pelicot-further-investigation-rapes-murder

BettyFilous · 23/12/2024 07:09

Her affair doesn’t explain the rape of the two estate agents, including the murder of one which he’s now facing trial for, or him upskirting local women in the supermarket. 😠

LoobiJee · 23/12/2024 07:19

“If not, why are you creating a thread to malign the poor woman.”

OP was just questioning his motive, as were the magistrates.”

Many/most of Iwant’s threads are about media articles, with all sorts of viewpoints set out in those articles, it doesn’t mean she agrees with the articles. Nowhere in her post does she question his motive herself, she’s drawing attention to the media report. And she said this in her opening post. “This has made me so angry all over again.”

Datun · 23/12/2024 07:27

BettyFilous · 23/12/2024 07:09

Her affair doesn’t explain the rape of the two estate agents, including the murder of one which he’s now facing trial for, or him upskirting local women in the supermarket. 😠

I think some people just need to find a reason, because the fact that the man just wanted exciting orgasms can't be enough. He needs to be othered in a way.

LoobiJee · 23/12/2024 07:29

Datun · 23/12/2024 07:27

I think some people just need to find a reason, because the fact that the man just wanted exciting orgasms can't be enough. He needs to be othered in a way.

And they don’t want the reason to be: because the internet has made it so much easier for all these despicable men to find each other.

Datun · 23/12/2024 07:30

He then admitted attempted rape to police investigators but denied using a knife as a weapon. He is expected to face trial at a later date.
He told police he had had an “urge” the moment he saw the woman,

Just an 'urge'.

Igneococcus · 23/12/2024 07:31

And what excuses do all the other participants have?

Datun · 23/12/2024 07:31

LoobiJee · 23/12/2024 07:29

And they don’t want the reason to be: because the internet has made it so much easier for all these despicable men to find each other.

And make the mass rape of an unconscious woman into totes normal wank fodder.

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 23/12/2024 07:33

daisychain01 · 23/12/2024 04:41

Great, let's now have a smear campaign and drag up all the dross available because of course she deserved everything she got, because she had an affair with.

can you not see the madness of this situation OP? Do you really think she deserved what she got. If not, why are you creating a thread to malign the poor woman.

Read the OP's thread title and final sentence- it's very clear she's angry at the media's attempt to 'justify' Pelicot's actions.

Datun · 23/12/2024 07:58

His son is beating himself up for not doing anything when he heard his father suggest the grandchildren played doctors. Pelicot vehemently denies doing anything to the grandchildren, but now the son isn't so sure.

Pelicot has form for denial until he's banged to rights.

Thevelvelletes · 23/12/2024 08:12

Datun · 23/12/2024 07:58

His son is beating himself up for not doing anything when he heard his father suggest the grandchildren played doctors. Pelicot vehemently denies doing anything to the grandchildren, but now the son isn't so sure.

Pelicot has form for denial until he's banged to rights.

Given what he's been found guilty of I don't think there would be any depravity he hasn't explored.

napody · 23/12/2024 08:16

Agree OP- but also sadly agree that you're inadvertently playing your part with your own 'headline'. We're all responsible for creating the discourse we want to see.

The Telegraph disgusted me- their original headline after the verdict described it as a 'wife taking REVENGE'... not seeking justice! They changed it online, not sure if it reached print like that.

And their other headline about it was speculating that Gisele and her daughter Caroline had fallen out during proceedings and were sitting apart. For fucks sake. What family would make it through that without it taking a toll.

I just keep thinking, can you IMAGINE how they would have smeared her if the crimes weren't on video?? They literally take any tiny opportunity to try and discredit and break women who try and stand up to male violence.

napody · 23/12/2024 08:22

Datun · 23/12/2024 07:27

I think some people just need to find a reason, because the fact that the man just wanted exciting orgasms can't be enough. He needs to be othered in a way.

Yes, the BBC 'big case' episode also angered me by being called 'My husband: the monster' and asking 'how do we prevent another Dominique Pelicot'?

  1. We can't, unless no woman is ever alone with a man ever again.
  2. That's hardly the main take-home here. Were the 50-100 men 'monsters' too? Even if no Dominique Pelicot had the opportunity to abuse one woman to this extent, don't they see that men seeing women as possessions of their husbands to rape with impunity is the actual problem?

The French media had it right with 'Monsieur Tout Le Monde'. 👏 I wonder who came up with that?

MsNeis · 23/12/2024 08:32

Happyinarcon · 23/12/2024 05:06

You might need to decide if following this strange case is worth your mental investment. The media will craft this story like a soap opera to generate click bait.

Wise words, yes 👍

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/12/2024 08:33

Dear All Men,

There is no excuse for rape, or for recruiting other men to rape your wife.

None whatsoever.

If you are making excuses for rape, please cancel yourself.

Datun · 23/12/2024 08:35

napody · 23/12/2024 08:22

Yes, the BBC 'big case' episode also angered me by being called 'My husband: the monster' and asking 'how do we prevent another Dominique Pelicot'?

  1. We can't, unless no woman is ever alone with a man ever again.
  2. That's hardly the main take-home here. Were the 50-100 men 'monsters' too? Even if no Dominique Pelicot had the opportunity to abuse one woman to this extent, don't they see that men seeing women as possessions of their husbands to rape with impunity is the actual problem?

The French media had it right with 'Monsieur Tout Le Monde'. 👏 I wonder who came up with that?

Yes. The people in the village who were interviewed said either everyone knows these men, or knows someone who knows them.

These are just men.

FedUpandDownAgain · 23/12/2024 08:35

Of COURSE it's HER fault. Poor man! What choice did he have?

🙄

I don't think this should have been brought up tbh