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Court report implies mass rape of Giselle Pelicot was revenge by her husband because she had had an affair

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IwantToRetire · 23/12/2024 01:42

Dominique Pelicot may have recruited dozens of men to rape his drugged wife out of “revenge” for her having an extramarital affair, according to a written judgment by magistrates.

In the written judgment seen by Le Monde, the magistrates wondered whether Dominique Pelicot’s motives for abusing his wife and the choice of men recruited online were at least partially out of revenge for an affair Gisèle had with a work colleague.

They wrote that by specifically choosing each of the men on the basis of age, ethnicity, the size and shape of their sexual attributes, as well as collecting and storing several hundred hours of video footage of the assaults, “all contribute to feeding Dominique Pelicot’s perverse fantasies”.

They questioned Pelicot’s dismissal of revenge as a motive given that he “unequivocally confessed this desire for revenge to one of his contacts”.
“For her part, Gisèle Pelicot does not rule out the possibility of revenge,” they added.

Gisèle Picot mentioned the affair in court, saying it had gone on for some time and was the only extramarital relationship she had while her ex-husband had several.

She recounted how he had become furious when he found out.

From a longer article at https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/12/22/pelicot-drugged-wife-affair-revenge-rape-cold-cases-link/

Article in full at https://archive.is/IKwtA

This has made me so angry all over again. Angry

OP posts:
daisychain01 · 24/12/2024 04:11

What perspective of the world, let alone FWR do you have.

my perspective on the world is that I don't do what you've done which is to drag up the fact GP had an affair which is detail that should have remained in the courtroom .

All you've done is increased visibility in here that she had an affair. I didn't know that detail before your thread but now I know, although it doesn't change anything, she is still an incredible woman who had to survive through a nightmare, but somehow you felt it was worthy of discussion. It's creepy and gossipy, bordering on the voyeuristic.

believe me, I'm not the bizarre one!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/12/2024 06:36

Datun · 23/12/2024 07:08

Was his wife's affair his motivation for upskirting all those women? Or the alleged rape of another woman? Or the alleged rape and murder of a third woman, for which he is to stand trial? Or abusing his own daughter and daughters in law?

He's a predatory, dangerous pervert who needs no excuse other than a day ending in Y.

Link to serial offending artice

amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/dec/19/dominique-pelicot-further-investigation-rapes-murder

Edited

What @Datun and others have said.

Grammarnut · 24/12/2024 09:59

IwantToRetire · 23/12/2024 22:18

Again, it isn't the Telegraph that is creating click bait, they are reporting the officials documents which include this despicable comment. ie the Magistrates thought he did do it out of revenge even though later denying it, and the obscene detail (if true) that this grotesque man went out of his way to select men who looked like the man she had had an affair.

READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE. I provided the archive link as the original is behind a paywall.

Added to which, if the magistrates are right about the motive being "revenge", compare that to Gisele Pelicot NOT setting out on endless campaigns of revenge for the many more than the single affair that her loathsome husband had had.

So many batshit responses am wondering if everybody has been at the christmas brandy or something.

But thanks to those who did respond to this really inhuman "understanding" by the court. Is this just a French thing, or is this how courts in the UK see male sexual predators as well?

It's how all societies see male sexual predators. It's part of 'womanhate'.

Catsmere · 24/12/2024 22:53

Nat6999 · 23/12/2024 04:22

An affair is no justification to be drugged & raped, I still can't believe he only got 20 years, they should have locked him up for life & the same for any of the men who took part. Why didn't he just end the marriage if he found she had had an affair. I wonder if his claims are part of revenge for getting caught.

Unfortunately 20 years is the maximum sentence for rape in France.

caramac04 · 24/12/2024 23:11

Well that excuse can fuck right off! If he was mr perfect or nearly perfect then his wife is unlikely to have looked elsewhere for love, affection and validation.

Marriumph · 24/12/2024 23:21

As I thought.

Gisele had a 3 year affair with a colleague. It's okay to state that she's not perfect (as other victims of other crimes have been through in the media and by the public - George Floyd, anyone?). However that does not in anyway justify mass rape by her husband - revenge or not, just like the perpetrators of other crimes and their victims who were also not saints.

What her husband and the 50 men did deserve a very long punishment because they're a danger to society. That is what should be front and center.

Marriumph · 24/12/2024 23:24

Justifying cheating because it's a woman doesn't help anything. If so, the same could be said when a man cheats. That was very wrong of her, simple. However the main issue is her husband and the mass rape he committed against her, which deserves thorough punishment by law.

mach2 · 25/12/2024 08:38

Dominique has also been found guilty of attempted aggravated rape of the wife of one of the co-accused, Jean-Pierre Marechal - who admitted drugging and raping his own wife, Cillia, and inviting Dominique to rape her too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c390d8nd4n4o

Pelicot just liked raping drugged women. On the above alone, were I the judge I would write "He says it was revenge...but that's bollocks".

Ferro · 25/12/2024 08:56

When I was on a jury we were not given any context for the alleged crime. We were only asked to establish whether it was likely the alleged perpetrator had committed the crime he was accused of. Any motive was off the table.

TempestTost · 25/12/2024 14:40

Grammarnut · 23/12/2024 20:59

And what has Mme Pelicot's affair got to do with being serially raped? Nothing. It's the usual 'it was her fault because' argument - sickening.

Edited

Most courts deal with motivation when looking at crimes and in particular when sentencing. It's totally normal to establish that if possible.

That is makes it "her crime" is your gloss, it's not what the document says at all.

MistyGreenAndBlue · 25/12/2024 16:24

Bloody Hell! That's the biggest "look what you made me do" ever.

Grammarnut · 25/12/2024 21:19

TempestTost · 25/12/2024 14:40

Most courts deal with motivation when looking at crimes and in particular when sentencing. It's totally normal to establish that if possible.

That is makes it "her crime" is your gloss, it's not what the document says at all.

It is a media gloss, in reporting it, I think, with some intention of mitigating Pelicot's crime. Such a motivation should not diminish his sentence - maybe increase it.

NotAScoobyDoo2 · 26/12/2024 19:24

Ferro · 25/12/2024 08:56

When I was on a jury we were not given any context for the alleged crime. We were only asked to establish whether it was likely the alleged perpetrator had committed the crime he was accused of. Any motive was off the table.

And this is the way it should be. The circumstances around the offence are immaterial particularly when it comes to violent crime.

The correct response when you find out your partner has cheated is to leave them. It's never acceptable to hurt someone. There's this idea that circulates of a perfect victim, someone who is completely blameless. The issue is that it doesn't exist. Women are held up to an impossible standard while rapists can do whatever they like, no matter how bad.

sadmillenial · 27/12/2024 03:12

daisychain01 · 23/12/2024 04:41

Great, let's now have a smear campaign and drag up all the dross available because of course she deserved everything she got, because she had an affair with.

can you not see the madness of this situation OP? Do you really think she deserved what she got. If not, why are you creating a thread to malign the poor woman.

i didnt read the OP in this way, i thought it was making the same point as you are - that this was outrageous and made the OP furious

i think you might both be furiously agreeing with each other

i am still in awe of her bravery and dignity, what an amazing woman

drhf · 28/12/2024 11:26

The motive for any rape is power and perverse sexual gratification.

Whatever pretext Pelicot or any other rapist provides - she’s a slut, she’s frigid, she’s my wife, she’s a lesbian, she shamed the family, I thought she wanted it, I wanted it, I had a bad day, her skirt was too short - the motive is always the same.

I can’t bring myself to read any of the detailed coverage of this horrifying case but I’m in awe of Giselle Pelicot for her courage and resolve, and I’m grateful to the women of FWR who have posted about it with compassion and insight.

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