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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Disney drops planned transgender storyline from cartoon series

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Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 18/12/2024 19:35

Leading movie news source The Hollywood Reporter yesterday (17 December) revealed that the Disney company Pixar is dropping a transgender storyline from its Win or Lose series.

The animated series, to be shown next year, follows a middle-school softball team in the week leading up to their championship game. Each episode focuses on one character and shown from their point of view. A character who was intended to be transgender will remain, but a few lines of dialogue revealing that they identify as trans have been removed.

The Hollywood Reporter says: "A spokesperson for Disney confirmed that the story arc was removed and provided the following statement to THR: “When it comes to animated content for a younger audience, we recognize that many parents would prefer to discuss certain subjects with their children on their own terms and timeline."

Last month, says The Hollywood Reporter, "Disney Channel’s animated series ^Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur^ made headlines after some who worked on the show took to social media to say Disney banned the release of an episode focused on a recurring transgender character. The company denied that the episode was “banned” and said the decision to hold on releasing the episode was made more than a year ago and was not because of the transgender character inclusion."

This isn't about homophobia. Though gay and lesbian themes also arouse controversy in the United States, Disney has ignored homophobic opposition and presented gay storylines and characters in recent years.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/disney-pulls-transgender-storyline-win-or-lose-1236088172/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR1YLZm-yWJ3MBIRsv3V0bPKxoYPwbFhT4Dj7M1kJjuFhHNsEviKBoDJfug_aem_g5cU3YZzNrj9S0nel0B4AA

I found this link at
https://www.facebook.com/groups/683564403501236/?multi_permalinks=1088509139673425

via a page called 'Kick-ass women who take no sh!t from Left or Right'.

Win or Lose

Disney Pulls Transgender Storyline from Pixar’s ‘Win or Lose’ Streaming Series (Exclusive) 

The original animated show about a co-ed high school team debuts on Disney+ in February.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/disney-pulls-transgender-storyline-win-or-lose-1236088172?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR1YLZm-yWJ3MBIRsv3V0bPKxoYPwbFhT4Dj7M1kJjuFhHNsEviKBoDJfug_aem_g5cU3YZzNrj9S0nel0B4AA

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JustCrow · 18/12/2024 19:36

Good.

Igmum · 18/12/2024 19:43

Also good (and I'm now wondering whether this was a girls' sports team or a boys' sports team? I'm assuming girls' because I can't see a TM qualifying for a boys' team. Very pleased Disney can wake up and smell the coffee here)

Igmum · 18/12/2024 19:44

Ah mixed sex (co-ed)

HorribleHisTories15 · 18/12/2024 19:56

Good

FlowchartRequired · 18/12/2024 20:04

The farms has a video of a storyboard which is said to be linked to this update from Disney.

Community Watch - Cartoon Industry thread - Page 203

FlowchartRequired · 18/12/2024 20:05

I'll try to link to the video, but it might be deleted.

uploads.kiwifarms.st/data/video/6749/6749936-6e79ebc6437cc694f0c4643f50ebbe61.mp4

ArabellaScott · 18/12/2024 20:21

That's interesting.

Circumferences · 18/12/2024 21:42

Because Disney have noticed that woke story lines tank them financially.
They have no morals, but they still know what's important to them $$

Mrswhatsit40 · 18/12/2024 21:45

Good grief.

FlowchartRequired · 18/12/2024 21:55

I think that the character was written as a transgirl (biological male).

UtopiaPlanitia · 18/12/2024 22:49

FlowchartRequired · 18/12/2024 20:05

I'll try to link to the video, but it might be deleted.

uploads.kiwifarms.st/data/video/6749/6749936-6e79ebc6437cc694f0c4643f50ebbe61.mp4

WOW!!! That storyboard was definitely adults pushing their own issues onto children. Disney are correct, this type of content is not something they should be including in telly for children.

IdylicDay · 19/12/2024 02:29

You ever noticed how gay people didn't get this saturation and fawning? Even now, they barely get a look in on tv or movies. But everyone bends over for trans as if it is going out of style tomorrow.

CheeseChamp · 19/12/2024 04:43

The storyboard may well be an accurate reflection of the modern phenomenon of gender dysphoria in teens, which is heartbreaking. The trouble is, the implications about the solution, that they can use the bathroom they choose, that they can be in the wrong body. That they are not the sex they were born as. If pixar have come to this conclusion it gives me so much hope we are nearly through this crisis for our young people. Sadly it's probably about the dollar.

Helleofabore · 19/12/2024 08:00

Disney makes content that they expect will still be watched in generations to come. It is to be expected that they understand that even the coming year will bring a significant change that would leave that storyline unsupported even before it came out.

It is a sign though, that it really is all crumbling apart because it was never supported by science and abiding truth.

Datun · 19/12/2024 08:46

Good.

They'll definitely be chasing the money, but the money is now swerving the whole issue.

YesterdaysFuture · 19/12/2024 09:20

Disney now know that these sort of things gain ever such a lot of bad publicity online, The Acolyte (which had exceptionally poor writing) may have been the turning point.

There does appear to be a widespread dropping of these issues now in the US ever since Trump's re-election and the trans issue being quite a major negative against Harris.

With trans being a social contagion putting storylines in children's cartoons is dangerous, plus we have the tropes of passable trans girls "just needing a pee", unlike the real issues of men (usually fully-bearded) claiming a trans identity to invade single-sex spaces.

FlowchartRequired · 19/12/2024 10:09

YesterdaysFuture: 'The Acolyte (which had exceptionally poor writing) may have been the turning point'.

Oh that was nadir of TV storytelling in so many ways (including the actress who wrote a diss track to 'diss' the audience for not liking the programme). I doubt it will ever be beaten. It cost a huge amount of money. Why they thought that a progressive, post modern, queer theory infused story led by the former assistant of Harvey Weinstein would be popular with the general audience I have no idea.

There are definitely people who want to watch that, but I think that Disney learnt that although those people are loud, they aren't many in number (certainly not enough for a TV series to make money without the 'normies' anyway). The winners were the YouTube reviewers who got far more views than the programme itself.

SilverChampagne · 19/12/2024 10:50

Datun · 19/12/2024 08:46

Good.

They'll definitely be chasing the money, but the money is now swerving the whole issue.

Thank God.

RedToothBrush · 19/12/2024 19:38

Datun · 19/12/2024 08:46

Good.

They'll definitely be chasing the money, but the money is now swerving the whole issue.

It's interesting isn't it?

The wording I saw of the statement was fascinating - about understanding that some parents wanted to talk about the subject in their own time frame and on their own terms.

There's a lot of people with Disney Channel subscriptions. They are doing the numbers and working out how many people will a) watch the programme at all b) what one episode cost c) how many subscribers and potential subscribers it will lose them (including people who won't watch it)

I think many of us owe Bud Lite.

RedToothBrush · 19/12/2024 19:41

YesterdaysFuture · 19/12/2024 09:20

Disney now know that these sort of things gain ever such a lot of bad publicity online, The Acolyte (which had exceptionally poor writing) may have been the turning point.

There does appear to be a widespread dropping of these issues now in the US ever since Trump's re-election and the trans issue being quite a major negative against Harris.

With trans being a social contagion putting storylines in children's cartoons is dangerous, plus we have the tropes of passable trans girls "just needing a pee", unlike the real issues of men (usually fully-bearded) claiming a trans identity to invade single-sex spaces.

I don't think it's merely Trump.

The realisation of why people may have swung for Trump is hitting a note, but actually I think that Bud Lite speaks more.

PriOn1 · 19/12/2024 20:38

So many times before, I have felt that the tide was turning, but the next happening would demonstrate that I really hadn’t understood the reach and depth of the capture. For so long, it’s felt like we were fighting the hydra. Every time we chopped off a head, another would appear.

The dominoes are now really falling. This mess came from the US and it’s finally breaking there, and much faster than it has in the U.K. If Disney is drawing back, the rest of the arts will surely follow and that can only be good news. Shoehorning this ideology into their work and prioritizing the talentless because they support it or are involved has made for a huge drop in quality. I hope this really is the beginning of the end.

Lovelyview · 19/12/2024 21:04

IdylicDay · 19/12/2024 02:29

You ever noticed how gay people didn't get this saturation and fawning? Even now, they barely get a look in on tv or movies. But everyone bends over for trans as if it is going out of style tomorrow.

It's fascinating isn't it. I genuinely think that in men who identify as women some men have found women they can relate to. I am reminded of the song in My Fair Lady 'Why can't a woman be more like a man?'. I think arch misogynist Donald Trump might actually listen to Bruce 'Caitlyn' Jenner over Nancy Mace because Jenner is actually the kind of 'woman' men like Trump respect.

Lovelyview · 19/12/2024 21:12

Lovelyview · 19/12/2024 21:04

It's fascinating isn't it. I genuinely think that in men who identify as women some men have found women they can relate to. I am reminded of the song in My Fair Lady 'Why can't a woman be more like a man?'. I think arch misogynist Donald Trump might actually listen to Bruce 'Caitlyn' Jenner over Nancy Mace because Jenner is actually the kind of 'woman' men like Trump respect.

That bit about Trump was a warning for the future by the way. He's absolutely a populist who is a genius for sensing which way the wind is blowing but he also has no respect for or understanding of women. I'm hoping those around him will keep him away from Jenner and keep him on the path to reversing the trans capture of institutions.

RedToothBrush · 19/12/2024 21:12

Lovelyview · 19/12/2024 21:04

It's fascinating isn't it. I genuinely think that in men who identify as women some men have found women they can relate to. I am reminded of the song in My Fair Lady 'Why can't a woman be more like a man?'. I think arch misogynist Donald Trump might actually listen to Bruce 'Caitlyn' Jenner over Nancy Mace because Jenner is actually the kind of 'woman' men like Trump respect.

Donald will listen to 'his friend' Elon more than either Caitlin or Nancy.

Elon has skin in the game... And a loud voice. To put it mildly.

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