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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Disney drops planned transgender storyline from cartoon series

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Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 18/12/2024 19:35

Leading movie news source The Hollywood Reporter yesterday (17 December) revealed that the Disney company Pixar is dropping a transgender storyline from its Win or Lose series.

The animated series, to be shown next year, follows a middle-school softball team in the week leading up to their championship game. Each episode focuses on one character and shown from their point of view. A character who was intended to be transgender will remain, but a few lines of dialogue revealing that they identify as trans have been removed.

The Hollywood Reporter says: "A spokesperson for Disney confirmed that the story arc was removed and provided the following statement to THR: “When it comes to animated content for a younger audience, we recognize that many parents would prefer to discuss certain subjects with their children on their own terms and timeline."

Last month, says The Hollywood Reporter, "Disney Channel’s animated series ^Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur^ made headlines after some who worked on the show took to social media to say Disney banned the release of an episode focused on a recurring transgender character. The company denied that the episode was “banned” and said the decision to hold on releasing the episode was made more than a year ago and was not because of the transgender character inclusion."

This isn't about homophobia. Though gay and lesbian themes also arouse controversy in the United States, Disney has ignored homophobic opposition and presented gay storylines and characters in recent years.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/disney-pulls-transgender-storyline-win-or-lose-1236088172/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR1YLZm-yWJ3MBIRsv3V0bPKxoYPwbFhT4Dj7M1kJjuFhHNsEviKBoDJfug_aem_g5cU3YZzNrj9S0nel0B4AA

I found this link at
https://www.facebook.com/groups/683564403501236/?multi_permalinks=1088509139673425

via a page called 'Kick-ass women who take no sh!t from Left or Right'.

Win or Lose

Disney Pulls Transgender Storyline from Pixar’s ‘Win or Lose’ Streaming Series (Exclusive) 

The original animated show about a co-ed high school team debuts on Disney+ in February.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/disney-pulls-transgender-storyline-win-or-lose-1236088172?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR1YLZm-yWJ3MBIRsv3V0bPKxoYPwbFhT4Dj7M1kJjuFhHNsEviKBoDJfug_aem_g5cU3YZzNrj9S0nel0B4AA

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/12/2024 23:22

Pink News has been cancelled, get with the program.

Christinapple · 22/12/2024 00:16

The term "cancelled" has been thrown around so often in the past few years it has lost all meaning.

I've seen the petition for myself which is linked to in the article. At present just over 6k views since it was started on the 18th.

IdylicDay · 22/12/2024 00:26

Christinapple · 21/12/2024 23:10

https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/12/20/petition-reinstate-transgender-storyline-disney-pixar-win-or-lose/

A petition to reinstate said storyline received thousands of signatures in the first couple of days.

Prick News as a source, @Christinapple ? Even after everything that's happened? 🙄😂😂Where's the self respect?

IdylicDay · 22/12/2024 00:27

Christinapple · 22/12/2024 00:16

The term "cancelled" has been thrown around so often in the past few years it has lost all meaning.

I've seen the petition for myself which is linked to in the article. At present just over 6k views since it was started on the 18th.

Wow, 6 thousand views in their little enclave. How exciting!

Christinapple · 22/12/2024 01:08

IdylicDay · 22/12/2024 00:26

Prick News as a source, @Christinapple ? Even after everything that's happened? 🙄😂😂Where's the self respect?

Funny hearing that on a forum that uses the daily mail and reddux as the main sources.

https://uk.pcmag.com/news/119288/microsofts-edge-browser-says-not-to-trust-the-daily-mail

"The Edge browser on mobile devices warns users not to trust content from the Daily Mail, as part of Microsoft's attempt to fight the spread of fake news.

Tapping it will reveal the message: "Proceed with caution: this website [daily mail] generally fails to maintain basic standards of accuracy and accountability."

Microsoft's Edge Browser Says Not to Trust the Daily Mail

The Daily Mail, Mail on Sunday, and the Mail Online have all been rated by third-party app NewsGuard as "generally fail[ing] to maintain basic standards of accuracy and accountability." The NewsGuard plug-in now comes pre-installed within the Edge app...

https://uk.pcmag.com/news/119288/microsofts-edge-browser-says-not-to-trust-the-daily-mail

IdylicDay · 22/12/2024 01:23

Christinapple · 22/12/2024 01:08

Funny hearing that on a forum that uses the daily mail and reddux as the main sources.

https://uk.pcmag.com/news/119288/microsofts-edge-browser-says-not-to-trust-the-daily-mail

"The Edge browser on mobile devices warns users not to trust content from the Daily Mail, as part of Microsoft's attempt to fight the spread of fake news.

Tapping it will reveal the message: "Proceed with caution: this website [daily mail] generally fails to maintain basic standards of accuracy and accountability."

Reduxx is well-respected. And none of them are predators who sexually assault people, commit crimes and bully their staff.

Enough4me · 22/12/2024 01:38

I guess some fairytales are just too unbelievable.
After all, children know know what girls and boys are.

NotBadConsidering · 22/12/2024 03:32

The Daily Mail still insists on using wrong sex pronouns, maybe that’s the inaccuracy Microsoft Edge is referring to.

RedToothBrush · 22/12/2024 05:57

Christinapple · 22/12/2024 01:08

Funny hearing that on a forum that uses the daily mail and reddux as the main sources.

https://uk.pcmag.com/news/119288/microsofts-edge-browser-says-not-to-trust-the-daily-mail

"The Edge browser on mobile devices warns users not to trust content from the Daily Mail, as part of Microsoft's attempt to fight the spread of fake news.

Tapping it will reveal the message: "Proceed with caution: this website [daily mail] generally fails to maintain basic standards of accuracy and accountability."

Pink news is supposed to uphold progressive values.

So readers wanted 'morally superior' to Daily Mail and Reduxx. They thought they were buying into progressive values.

As you point out, by coming it to the Daily Mail or Reduxx, at best it's as bad as them which runs totally counter to the wishes of readers. At worst it's a misleading con which pretended to be whiter than white but actually had worse mortality than the very organisation that it's readers hated and wanted to avoid.

We are under no illusions about the weaknesses of the Fail. We don't think it's a paragon of virtue.

Pink news set itself up to be that and it has turned up to be a hotbed of unhappy, potentially badly treated employees who embraced poor quality click bait against the ethical principles of those working there and the image of the company which had tried to promote itself as 'better'.

It's fucking amusing to see virtue signaller now trying to defend it's integrity.

I don't need to defend the Fail. I know it's shit. It's shit but serves a purpose.

Pink news? We now know that pink news is both shit and fails to serve a purpose.

BettyFilous · 22/12/2024 08:23

It doesn’t matter how many people sign that petition. If Disney’s investors are squaring up for legal action over profit losses, Disney’s executives will be focussed on shoring up investor confidence. No one is owed a particular storyline or character. Entertainment companies support it when there is advantage in it. When it starts to hurt their bottom line or brand reputation they will desist.

FlowchartRequired · 22/12/2024 10:58

We know that there are people who are pro the transchild story in the Disney TV programme. They are welcome to sign a petition.

We also know - that just as with The Acolyte - these people are not big enough in number for Disney to make a profit if the general audience turns off.

There just aren't enough post modern, queer theory activists in the world to support Disney on thir own.

RedToothBrush · 22/12/2024 11:03

BettyFilous · 22/12/2024 08:23

It doesn’t matter how many people sign that petition. If Disney’s investors are squaring up for legal action over profit losses, Disney’s executives will be focussed on shoring up investor confidence. No one is owed a particular storyline or character. Entertainment companies support it when there is advantage in it. When it starts to hurt their bottom line or brand reputation they will desist.

Quite. It's always about the money.

The insurers getting nervous. The Bud Lite effect. The mounting legal cases due to malpractice. The reputational damage to celebrity careers.

It's all going to add up and add up very quickly.

And that was always fucking obvious when you are encouraging something that physically harms children with no scientific evidence backing it up.

What shocks me most is just how surprised people are by this!

BonfireLady · 22/12/2024 11:41

What shocks me most is just how surprised people are by this!

IMO there are still lots of people who don't see a clear difference between LGB and T/gender questioning.

The current schools' statutory safeguarding policy in the UK (KCSIE 2024) is the only official document I'm aware of in the UK which does this. I'm hoping it stays in its current form long enough for institutions outside of the education to recognise the difference in their own official, legally binding documents e.g. healthcare and counselling professionals should recognise that parents need to know if their child is gender questioning, that it's not something they should keep confidential in the same way as they would for a child who is exploring their sexual orientation.

There's a world of difference between LGB and "T". Most people who actively post on this board know this but I don't think most people IRL really give it much thought, thanks in huge part to all the forced-teaming that T has done to ensure it sits with LGB in the public consciousness.

Personally speaking, this was one of the last pennies to drop for me when I was getting my head around it all. I was so used to seeing LGBT together as one, to hearing people talking about "coming out" as trans the same as they do with coming out as gay.

The imminent conversion therapy bill shows just how conflated it still is in enough places. It's worrying that it may well pass because Labour has a big majority and too many MPs aren't aware of why the difference between LGB and T/gender questioning is important.

Edited to add: hopefully this isn't a derail. I saw that Disney is now saying that they won't actively push this storyline because they feel it's down to parents to decide how to address this subject. This was what I was thinking about when I wrote the above. I saw a comment in the thread which picked up on the significance of this shift too. It's a massive shift because it's a quiet, subtle step onto the golden bridge in a way that many people won't even notice.

Gem359 · 22/12/2024 12:17

Christinapple · 22/12/2024 00:16

The term "cancelled" has been thrown around so often in the past few years it has lost all meaning.

I've seen the petition for myself which is linked to in the article. At present just over 6k views since it was started on the 18th.

6K in a country of 334.9 million people is teeny tiny.

LonginesPrime · 22/12/2024 12:37

I've just looked at Disney's 10-K (annual report) risk factors, and they've made an interesting amendment to their risk factor around the risk of "misalignment with public and consumer tastes" in their most recent filing last month. Generally, risk factors will remain identical year on year unless there's a reason to change them, so tiny tweaks can reveal quite a bit.

In Nov 2023, it read:
"Further, consumers’ perceptions of our position on matters of public interest, including our efforts to achieve certain of our environmental and social goals, often differ widely and present risks to our reputation and brands."

And in Nov 2024 (after the open letter and all the negative press), the same line has been changed to:
"Further, preferences of some consumers are affected by their perceptions of our position on matters of public interest, including regarding environmental and social issues."

So they've obviously acknowledged internally that they were pushing their own social agenda in 2023 as opposed to merely responding to market trends. I know most companies have been hoodwinked into doing this, but honestly, it does sound a bit mad when a board is writing in its official documentation to its shareholders "sooo...we might lose you money, but don't worry, it's for a good cause".

The removal might suggest they've changed their policy on actively campaigning for social change, but it might equally be a way of framing the same agenda by telling shareholders "no, we're not pushing our own agenda- we're campaigning for trans acceptance as a response to market forces, actually".

Either way, the removal signals that the board has realised they shouldn't be seen to be pushing their own agenda to the detriment of its share price, and that where the two aren't aligned, it shouldn't be happening.

It's the same as the Stonewall index giving companies (including banks, law firms, etc) extra points for actively pushing the diversity agenda onto their clients and customers to make the world more "accepting" (lol). And it's what the UK Bar Standards Board is currently trying to do to force barristers to actively advance their specific DEI agenda.

And I think the reason companies are surprised is because for the past 10-12 years now, almost everyone in the corporate world in the UK/US et al has been brainwashed by the mantra that "while there's obviously a strong business imperative for promoting diversity, it's also just the right thing to do" (usually accompanied by a little shrug and puppy dog eyes...but, curiously, no mention of hormones and surgery).

Christinapple · 22/12/2024 13:17

IdylicDay · 22/12/2024 01:23

Reduxx is well-respected. And none of them are predators who sexually assault people, commit crimes and bully their staff.

Edited

It isn't outside of the gender critical community. It's just another of those stalking sites that are obsessed with trans people.

If we're going to talk about Disney's "wokeness" in general, not just trans people, it may appear they don't care overly much about new movies profiting after all since a lot of their "woke" material doesn't appear to be well received or making much money which I'm sure they are well aware of.

FlowchartRequired · 22/12/2024 13:32

I can remember being shocked when so soon after #metoo Rose McGowan (who was raped by Harvey Weinstein) was confronted by a TRA on her book tour. IIRC, she was forced to apologise and the rest of the tour was cancelled.

The confrontation is in the video below.

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Disney signed Harvey Weinstein's former personal assistant to run its $180 million + (I think it is estimated that the budget actually passed $200 million) 'The Acolyte show'. I personally think that the odds of Leslye Headland not knowing anything about how he treated women is remote to say the least. But she checked the correct rainbow boxes, so they gave her the money anyway and she made a show that ticked all the correct rainbow boxes for them.

I can't help but contrast how Rose and Leslye were treated.

IdylicDay · 22/12/2024 13:37

Christinapple · 22/12/2024 13:17

It isn't outside of the gender critical community. It's just another of those stalking sites that are obsessed with trans people.

If we're going to talk about Disney's "wokeness" in general, not just trans people, it may appear they don't care overly much about new movies profiting after all since a lot of their "woke" material doesn't appear to be well received or making much money which I'm sure they are well aware of.

Wrong. It is well-respected in the community and by many news outlets even used as a reference by the BBC. Do you call all other news outlets 'stalking sites'? Or just ones 'obsessed' with WOMENS RIGHTS? It could be worse, it could be a misogynist site that is obsessed with Male Supremacy and stalking and abusing women and feminists.

FlowchartRequired · 22/12/2024 13:46

If trans identified male people stopped committing crimes, taking part in sport for female people and stopped trying to erase female only spaces/lesbian groups/rape crisis centres etc, Reduxx wouldn't have anything to write about.

Christinapple · 22/12/2024 15:51

FlowchartRequired · 22/12/2024 13:46

If trans identified male people stopped committing crimes, taking part in sport for female people and stopped trying to erase female only spaces/lesbian groups/rape crisis centres etc, Reduxx wouldn't have anything to write about.

But it's not just about crimes is it? Reddux and other gender critical people such as JK Rowling seem fixated with trans people regardless if they are a criminal or not.

Didn't JK Rowling become obsessed with a trans football manager at one point (who was a non-criminal, happily married and living their life and respected by their and other teams), who had done nothing wrong other than exist?

IdylicDay · 22/12/2024 15:58

Christinapple · 22/12/2024 15:51

But it's not just about crimes is it? Reddux and other gender critical people such as JK Rowling seem fixated with trans people regardless if they are a criminal or not.

Didn't JK Rowling become obsessed with a trans football manager at one point (who was a non-criminal, happily married and living their life and respected by their and other teams), who had done nothing wrong other than exist?

No, they are 'fixated' on womens rights. Sorry that bothers you.

And that football manager had been harassing Rowling non-stop on twitter. So Rowling called out the bully, and he didn't like it.

Christinapple · 22/12/2024 16:41

The football manager is trans, exists and is living a happy life. So Rowling posted about her to her 14M followers (and the daily mail reader-base too, since they post an article about almost everything she tweets) to further incite hatred against her.

In a nutshell it's all just transphobic bullying, disguised as "women's rights". Rowling might be a billionaire but she can't seem to stand the fact there are non-rich trans people living happier lives than her.

IdylicDay · 22/12/2024 16:46

Christinapple · 22/12/2024 16:41

The football manager is trans, exists and is living a happy life. So Rowling posted about her to her 14M followers (and the daily mail reader-base too, since they post an article about almost everything she tweets) to further incite hatred against her.

In a nutshell it's all just transphobic bullying, disguised as "women's rights". Rowling might be a billionaire but she can't seem to stand the fact there are non-rich trans people living happier lives than her.

The football manager is a bully who incited hatred against Rowling. Its just femphobic misogynistic bullying under the guise of 'trans rights'. Really, its Male Supremacy and toxic hatred of women while using 'trans' to give their toxic hateful misogyny a veneer of respectability because that male bully cannot stand that they will never be a female and resents actual females who use their fame and fortune to defend the rights of females.

Greyskybluesky · 22/12/2024 16:52

Obsessed ✔
Fixated ✔
Hatred ✔
Transphobic ✔
Bullying ✔

Bingo! 😆
And you're the one saying "cancelled" has been thrown around so often it's lost all meaning!

FlowchartRequired · 22/12/2024 17:35

Chris carefully sidesteps all the TW who have commited crimes there.

I would like also to mention the ones who threaten women who don't agree with them. Reduxx should also report on these people.

The fragrant India Willoughby has been liking posts on Bluesky stating that people who disagree with India should be 'executed'.

https://archive.ph/X3Opq

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