Carmarthenshire Winter Pride cancelled today because lesbians who know about biology would be allowed

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The latest bit of insanity out of Wales.

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Maya Forstater

So this organisation, which takes public money to serve the community, decided to cancel its event because it wasn't allowed to unlawfully discriminate.

Carmarthenshire Winter Pride claims it had to cancel tomorrow's pride because the Free Speech Union threatened legal action over the pride's not allowing GC person/ people to attend.

The aim of the event was to bring organisations and people together to promote equality, inclusion and to fight hate.

"discrimination of any kind will NOT be tolerated"

And then they cancelled it when they realised that they wanted to to tolerate and practice unlawful discrimination.

It was due to be a gala event with Dame Nia Griffith, Joyce Watson MS and Adam Price ex leader of Plaid all due to be speaking. And they cancelled it to stop some lesbian women-of-a-certain age from coming.

More details:
https://x.com/MForstater/status/1867694420281413897

Newsflash this event was designed to discriminate not only against gender critical people, but against Muslims, Catholics and a lot of generally religious people too, not to mention most ordinary people who think sex is real.

The heroic lesbians concerned and the amazing Free Speech Union are not putting up with this nonsense any longer. How long till everyone admits Wales has a problem?

This is just after Plaid one of the major Welsh political parties tried to argue in the Senedd for legalising uncontrolled medical experiments on kids.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5229561-senedd-votes-against-allowing-puberty-blockers-in-wales-for-gender-distress

Earlier this year Plaid admitted they were massive Sexists, not surprising in a party plagued by sex scandals :
Plaid Cymru admits unlawful discrimination against feminist charity
https://nation.cymru/news/plaid-cymru-admits-unlawful-discrimination-against-feminist-charity/

Sorry to derail, but as Couci says, there is a lot of extreme wokery in Canada, and I am wary of accusations of unusually high levels of racism and religious bigotry in Québec - there is a long history of anti-Québecois sentiment amongst 'Anglo' Canadians, who are no strangers to racism themselves.

Opinion polls about racist attitudes suggest that Québec is no worse, and in some cases better than, the rest of Canada. Nothing to celebrate - there should be 0% racist attitudes right across the population, but not a reason to point the finger at Québec either.
Et si, en fait, les Québécois étaient moins racistes que les autres Canadiens ?

The French-speaking population of Québec have suffered centuries of oppression and marginalisation by the WASP majority, as if their identity - in particular their French language and traditions and Catholic religion - was some kind of wilful display of anti-Anglo bloody-mindedness which had to be stamped out.

That attitude is still common amongst Anglo Canadians, who often complain about Francophone Quebécois using their own language in Francophone Québec and even refer to it as discrimination against Anglophones!

So I'd take characterisation of the Québecois as particularly racist or bigoted (and indeed transphobic, these days) with a pinch of salt.

On the main topic of the thread: LGB✂T, ASAP!

It’s a version of Small Country Syndrome: countries with relatively small populations (often former colonies) set out to distinguish and disassociate themselves from neighbouring larger powerful countries (or former colonial masters) by trying to do the opposite of what is done in the other country. It’s also part of the smaller nation’s concerted effort to internationally brand their nation as nice or morally superior. Small countries can’t compete in terms of resources and financial power but they can compete in terms of soft power.

Indeed, @UtopiaPlanitia . I remember the lovely Nicola banging on about Scotland being the most advanced country in the world, basking in it.

Secularism, by definition, means the state is neutral about the religious and ideological observances and beliefs of individuals. That's quite different that what is going on in Quebec now which is the imposition of a very specific set of beliefs and values on individuals.That's not secular, it's a version of atheistic modernism which is absolutely an ideological belief set.

If you think racism in Quebec started with mass immigration, I have an overpass to sell you. The First Nations might have something to say about it too.

AYE WE MUR

Speaking French in Quebec has not been a problem for a long time, you will struggle these days with speaking English, at least outside of Montreal.

I'd also point out that Quebec is politically one of the most powerful provinces - not only are they so populous they have a huge influence on the make-up of the HoC, they have provided numerous recent PMs - Both Trudeaus, Chretien, Martin, and Mulroney. The first Quebecois PM was in 1896. For several years the Bloc, a party with no MPs outside of Quebec, was the official opposition. It's not an economic backwater either.

Leaning too much into the oppressed bit isn't all that credible.

Laws around use of non-French language have become more and more draconian in recent years too - and while most of the people I have talked to in Quebec aren't very keen on them, that is what the government has been pushing, so clearly someone is.

This is all part and parcel of the kind of nationalism that seems to be forbidden of nation states, but perfectly acceptable once people define themselves as an oppressed group, whatever their actual political or economic power.

Yes, and I think this actually counts for a lot of "wokism" in Canada as a whole. They have long defined themselves against either the UK, or since the 1960s, increasingly the US.

Great Thread from LGB Cymru exploring what happened in detail. Remember this event was set up with public money and was cancelled because lesbians wanted to attend. There needs to be accountability:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1868047762929148125.html