Safeguarding trans issues

[Hamiltonfan]

My friend is the most amazing mum. Her son has started to identify as female which she doesn't accept . He is neurodiverse with multiple issues going on and she believes this is a phase he is going through to try and fit in. She found out today that she has been flagged as a safeguarding risk and social services are being involved. To say she is devastated is an understatement. Please be kind. Can anyone offer any words of support or legislation around this? Thank you.

I hope she ignores this stupid advice, @ButterflyHatched because it is dangerous and leads to sexual dysfunction and sterility. She needs to contact the organisations already listed, Transgender Trend and the Bayswater group. The Cass review has shown exactly what is meant by 'social transitioning' and that it causes manifold problems for those pushed onto that path. Social services need to draw in their horns on this issue.

What does it mean to wear girls' clothes? Dresses? That was a mistake, if so. Long hair (my late DH had hair long enough to plait) and flowery shirts/tops, kaftans etc are fine, I think.

Butters

When all else fails, what is left other than 'lalala I don't believe you'?

That's the latest in a long line of DARVOs from you.

What you mean is that, when challenged on lies, double down, angrily, refuse to provide links, pretend that high quality evidence in links, which contradict you, are transphobic and answer different questions to what you were asked.

I'm quite attractive though I'm not sure about my gender congruency

I am geometrically incongruent as there is no other object that is exactly the same shape and size as me. I am also psychologically incongruent as my actual self doesn't match my ideal self. Somehow I manage.

So why do you seem to be so keen that other people travel that much, much harder road?

You really seem to delight in mocking other people's struggles

I'm not.

I think they should be allowed to choose, though - while being spared the mountains of politicised bullshit that have coalesced into tight points of contention around what was already the difficult and painful mire that is childhood gender incongruence.

The whole point of being a parent is to guide your child away from pain and suffering.

If you want to go down that path, do it as an adult, when you have the cognitive whereabouts to make those lifelong decisions (though plenty of adults detransition too)

But as parents we want to protect our kids.

What if I would have 'supported ' my daughter like you say to? Allowed her to change her name, took her to the Dr's, started her on the journey to transition socially or medically?

How would that look now when naturally, without any intervention, she has done a complete 180 back to her 'normal self' and has absolutely zero interest in anything 'boy presenting'

Do you think she would have been able to do that if all thw pressure from outside trans affirming agencies were there?

You keep saying about helping the trans kids, well what about helping the autistic kids, helping the kids with sexual trauma who are rejecting their bodies due to abuse (and mistake trauma body dysphoria for gender dysphoria) What about helping the lesbian kids who don't fit into female gender stereotypes so think they might be a boy instead of gay? What about the kids who just feel out of place (which is most bloody teens!) Who are emotionally abused at home who look for a group to fit into and are influenced online?

How about protecting THOSE kids?

The most simple solution is to ban all medical and social transition until adult hood.

If a CHILD still wants to travel that path in adulthood they can.

And if they have developed physically in that body then that's just what they have to deal with as part of their journey because I would rather every child be protected from unnecessary medical intervention than can affect their bones, fertility and mental state than the tiny, tiny percentage of trana people that transition for a lifetime. (And most do not have surgical intervention)

The world does not revolve around trans people, they ate NOT more important than any other person, than any other child and if there is a risk of physical and mental damage to children who are sucked into the ideology for any of the reasons above then that is good enough reason to put a stop to it all until the person is a CONSENTING ADULT.

Girat principle of medicine : Do no harm.

Yes, that is the most simple solution - in the same way that dealing with prejudice within a social group can be 'solved' by banning its victims from joining.

I like to hope we can do better

No. There's nothing "better" than safeguarding children from harm. Protecting them from the belief that their bodies are wrong is not prejudice. It's what all responsible parents and adults do. Love and support our children as they navigate the trials of childhood and puberty in safety.

The only banning that needs to happen is to all the dangerous adults determined to sell transitioning to children. They need to be banned from going anywhere near them. The niche "belief" that sex change is possible is an adult one that needs mature critical thinking skills to navigate and critique.
The tone deaf instructions that TWAW #nodebate should be nowhere near the young.

So let's get this straight.

The puberty blockers route harms boys who would otherwise go on to desist in their trans identification.

It harms those who will persist but would have wanted to retain as adults a sexually mature functioning penis. Which we are told the majority of transwomen do.

It harms those who will persist and will want bottom surgery because it reduces their surgical options to worse ones.

Who is it supposed to be good for again? All in the hope of being able to pretend better to be a biological female, when at the same time you're claiming being biologically female has nothing to do with being a woman.

Or worse, in the aim of being whatever you personally happen to consider physically attractive - a notoriously moving target from person to person, culture to culture. And we don't generally agree with other cosmetic surgeries for kids just because they consider themselves ugly. They're not even allowed to get tattoos.

Well said.
Society (the world in general now) is realising the dreadful harm that's been done to the young from both the drugs, surgery and the psychological harm of socially transitioning children. Finally the focus on the need to safeguard them is being re prioritised. But as we see, there will always be some who seek to remove that protection from children.

The only banning that needs to happen is to all the dangerous adults determined to sell transitioning to children. They need to be banned from going anywhere near them. The niche "belief" that sex change is possible is an adult one that needs mature critical thinking skills to navigate and critique.

And as many experts keep saying, we need to be really careful - suspicious even - about those adults who push puberty blockers & then artificial cross-sex hormones. It's about passing, and, I'm afraid it's about grooming very young children into sexual knowledge far earlier than is usual. It seems to be a feature of agp men ...

Watching your attempts at logic is painful, unpicking it is like trying to explain why a pigeon isn’t an ice cream

@ButterflyHatched I'm sorry, I thought you had realised this thread wasn't about you and that you were leaving?

Same. @ButterflyHatched, what does that actually entail, exactly? How do women "live" differently to men? Not counting gender stereotyped nonsense about hair length, dresses and make up, what do you do differently 'as a woman' that you would do if you hadn't taken hormones and had cosmetic surgery? I eat, sleep, go to work, wear clothes to keep warm. Which of those things do you not do, since you removed your penis, or what extra things do you do now?