MPs 'spreading misinformation' says Cass

[mzdemeanour]

Baroness Cass rejects accusations of discrimination and says MPs are 'spreading misinformation' about the decision to ban puberty blockers for gender questioning children - interview in the Times www.thetimes.com/uk/healthcare/article/hilary-cass-puberty-blocker-ban-misinformation-2dc36vpd5

I'm not a medical expert but surely the crucial thing about blocking precocious puberty is they only do it for a few years.

Vikki Slade is a dangerous lunatic on this - the Dorset Lib Dems in general are utterly captured and compromised. For example,the Lib Dem deputy leader of the Council is married to the person who runs the local charity which pushes the ideology in schools and to youth groups, and is in receipt of funding by the Council. He ran the campaign of the newly elected MP for West Dorset, who is similarly captured.

The one saving grace is that unlike the Greens who are frequently swivel-eyed ideologues, LibDems are generally merely spineless opportunists so I imagine once the collapse comes everyone will forget about it and move on to the next fashionable cause. I hope and suspect that the Lib Dem commitment to gender ideology is fairly shallow.

This.

How are people still buying this made up bollocks.

Thank you, it does.

Well done to her for criticising the way these MPs have misrepresented or misunderstood the ban on puberty blockers.

Will they listen? I have a feeling they will not. Maybe if the Guardian had reported this they’d consider it.

Yes, you are making an important point.

I think these MPs etc are latching on to the argument that Chase Strangio used before the US Supreme Court last week to try and get the ban on puberty blockers lifted in Tennessee.

They can't plausibly argue there is no health risk, given the detail of the Cass Review and reviews carried out in other European countries, so they've now moved on to arguing that it's discriminatory not to give these drugs to children for gender-related distress.

It's cynical virtue signalling and does not help the children concerned to have adults switching off their critical thinking in order to appease activists and gain social cred.

Creasy's USP as an MP is 'Mega Empathy' - whatever the subject, she's bound and determined to be more empathetic than you. She doesn't seem to prise critical thinking, she seems to prefer lecturing others from her soaring pinnacle of empathy. Honestly, she's wasting herself as an MP: she should be a weekly columnist for The Guardian 😏🙄

😂

Yes, and then they have the correct hormones that are meant for their cells. But even then there have been recorded issues

The evidence with pbs (which seems to have be forgotten about in this debate, but I didn't get to the end) is that the vast majority move onto cross sex hormones.

So the minute you block puberty you have completely medically transitioned a child.

Some of the MPs arguing against may well have been still vehemently believing that it's a pause? Which is also rather thick given all the information that's been circulating post Cass and post Tavistock.

www.statnews.com/2017/02/02/lupron-puberty-children-health-problems/

In the interviews with women who took Lupron to delay puberty or grow taller, most described depression and anxiety. Several recounted their struggles, or a daughter’s, with suicidal urges. One mother of a Lupron patient described seizures.

She is describing children who take puberty blockers as young men and women?!

And appears to be saying we should continue to prescribe them to children, because there hasn't yet been a study to show whether they are safe or unsafe??

I mean, she's getting pushed back yes, plenty of it. Even so, what the fuck? How can she be this ignorant?

It is worrying to see the ignorance coupled by unwillingness to learn facts shown by some of the people governing us. What else do they not understand?

She is describing children who take puberty blockers as young men and women?!

All the genderist politicians are, it looks like some kind of memo has gone out. None of them will use the word "children".

Age 8 is not ‘very early puberty’; it is just the early end of normal. I am very glad the GP didn’t prescribe PBs.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/early-or-delayed-puberty/#:~:text=The%20average%20age%20for%20girls,9%20and%2014%20in%20boys.

Just listened to the whole discussion. Wes Streeting was really impressive. Respectful (even in the face of the useful idiots talking about people instead of children). He calmly responded to the MP shamefully throwing around fake suicide stats by pointing out that in the UK there's a process for investigating the death of every child so claiming that these deaths go unreported just isn't true. He spoke compassionately about all the children who he'd spoken to while reiterating the need for holistic treatment for all. He refused to be gaslit or emotionally blackmailed into agreeing to anything.

I really got the sense that this was a politician comfortable with saying the unheard of to extreme transactivists - NO.

This is a good point when you now see older people now getting diagnosed with ADHD and ASD in greater numbers. And those people were always around. My mother was a secondary teacher in the 1960s and she remembers the students who just couldn’t sit still or focus. They were also the first ones to leave school as soon as they could.

Yes, and that's because ADHD and ASD are real. Being 'born in the wrong body' is made up nonsense.

Yes I have been so pleasantly surprised by Wes Streeting. I'm finding him really impressive on this stuff.

Yes. It is not that hard to understand at all really.

Makes you realise that some are going to relish the fact that their views are seen as more and more niche; to virtue signal their support of the "truly oppressed".

The difference between MPs and other people is that they have assistants, researchers employed by their party and other staff (at least in many countries); they don't have to do all the research on their own and trying to log onto databases that are not open to the public, only to professionals.

Even if you don't know anything about a topic, it should be relatively easy to give someone in your surround staff the task to research pro and con arguments for a discussion point. If they can't at least see that there might be various answers to a question, depending on whom you ask, they need an introductory course in "how to MP".

PBs are prescribed by paediatricians,not GPs.

But they choose their own staff, and likely ones that fit their prejudices.

Paediatric endocrinologists