MPs 'spreading misinformation' says Cass

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Baroness Cass rejects accusations of discrimination and says MPs are 'spreading misinformation' about the decision to ban puberty blockers for gender questioning children - interview in the Times www.thetimes.com/uk/healthcare/article/hilary-cass-puberty-blocker-ban-misinformation-2dc36vpd5

There was a woman who used to post on here who had taken puberty blockers. It certainly wasn't for gender dysphoria and I don't think it was for precocious puberty either. Although, I can't remember what it was for now. But I know it wasn't for long. And she had osteoporosis, crippling pain, it ruined her life.

Those politicians disgust me more than I have words for.

Wes Streeting has been excellent and a really pleasant surprise.

I remember her. She posted quite extensively about the awful impact they had on her body.

My bloody toes curl up every time I see “our trans yoof” now.

Because you know that when someone’s included that, somewhere in their diatribe dialogue, then you can guarantee they’ve not put one iota of thought into what they’re saying.

It’s the new “stunning and brave” 😶

@Datun
I believe it was for endometriosis.
These drugs are used quite widely to treat endometriosis but women usually have add back HRT to try and minimise side effects and it’s not a long term treatment.

”By relying on the reason for prescription, is this simply discrimination against our #trans youth?'”

No, Sian it’s called practicing evidence based medicine. A concept which has been shamefully lacking in treatment of kids with gender distress until the PB ban and the Cass report.

I believe it was for endometriosis

yes, that's ringing a bell.

I think she had terrible pain and all sorts of symptoms for several decades, if I recall correctly.

At the time TRAs were heavily promoting the idea that puberty blockers were harmless. So testimony from people like her was invaluable and eye-opening.

My sister-in-law took lupron for endometriosis and developed osteoarthritis in her 40s. First signs were her teeth falling out. It was fucking brutal.

Yes, now you mention it, this other woman's teeth had fallen out, too. Absolutely scandalous.

And even the NHS thing they're reversible.

Sobel is a disgrace. I hope the full weight of consequences crashes down upon him, and sooner rather than later. He is a dangerous ideologue.

He doesn’t give a shit about positive outcomes for children and teens in distress and confusion. He cares about flag waving for his trans rights gang.

Just because you get elected to be an MP doesn't mean you're bright, well-informed, have an inquiring or open mind. People with very ingrained and incorrect viewpoints get elected as MPs and they can be as stupid, poorly informed and ignorant as the rest of the population. Therefore, it doesn't surprise me that some continue to believe this nonsense.

What I consider unforgivable, however, is that the Lib Dems have STILL not put out a statement of their support for the Cass report. An entire, mainstream party with 72 MPs continue to support the medicalisation of so-called 'gender dysphoria' in children in the face of overwhelming evidence that it does more harm than good (I know the Greens also support it, but they've always been a load of fringe crackpots).

The Liberal Democrats must not be let off the hook on this:

"Here is VikkiSlade72 saying children are "losing their lives while on the waiting list." Lots of attention paid to the ghoulish responses to the announcement on puberty blockers by some Labour MPs like stellacreasy
and Green MPs like sianberry but the LibDems have so far gone under the radar. As Baroness Cass said in The Times today, “What is worrying is when people say that if children don’t get these drugs, they will die, because clearly that’s not true.” It was “irresponsible for people to shroud-wave in that way”.
Dorset has one of the highest rates of referral to gender clinics; perhaps she could investigate that rather than terrify parents by saying children will harm themselves if they don't get PBs. I suggest she looks at the people in our schools who are promoting this nonsense."

https://x.com/WomanSaysNo/status/1867871511274791184

Thanks for the link. Good article.

I can't work out whether the MPs still banging on about this are either thick or indoctrinated.

Either way it is increasingly not a good look.

They will stfu when the lawsuits start kicking in. Watch them reverse ferret at the speed of light. Dangerous ideologues.

Exactly! Prescribing drugs to heal, but not to damage the body — that’s ‘discrimination’, according to these dickheads.

It’s very different to use a drug to treat an abnormal, premature hormonal surge, as opposed to stopping the normal hormonal surges that happen during puberty,”

This needs to be stated constantly. So grateful for Cass but it's scary how her very clear words are twisted.

The quality of some MPs is shocking. I met one who had been selected to stand. He openly said he was chosen because he would parrot views of those who backed him, he was a puppet. He didn't have original thought, was not well experienced or qualified and I would not have given him a minor admin role in my workplace. I looked him up recently and he is in Parliament!

“irresponsible for people to shroud-wave in that way”.

I'm going to steal that Baroness, it's a perfect way to describe the emotional blackmail that's so favoured by the handmaidens.

I have a friend that has all these similar symptoms, incredibly severe and doctors can’t tell her why. I told her to have the doctors check her multiple IVF treatments. She then told me the doctors were not really interested in tracking that.

But apparently…. No significant long term adverse effects for use of these drugs! Of course, no one seems to be keen in tracking all the female patients decades on to check.

And we have male adults with transgender identities who actively dismiss the brutality of these drugs (both puberty blockers and testosterone) on female bodies. Because to even acknowledge these life limiting and likely shortening effects would spill open the flood gates whereas now is just a trickle. Because the connection seems to be dismissed behind ‘save the child now and long term side effects? Well all treatments have them, nothing to see here! ‘

All so male people can get what they demand.

It's depressing to see that we have so many stupid politicians. This is like being represented by anti-vaxxers, but worse, frankly.

These are dangerous drugs. They are dangerous even for precocious puberty, except the argument is that in those cases the benefits outweigh the harms.

There have been lawsuits against Lupron in the US (Lupron isn't licensed in the UK) precisely because it causes osteoporosis and other problems:

www.statnews.com/2017/02/02/lupron-puberty-children-health-problems/

I think it's quite bizarre. My husband is taking pb now for cancer, but the other side of that is he'sworking on a limited lifespan once they stop working, which they will. So not only are the stakes high it will only be for so long.

How anyone cannot see that just because something is appropriate for one scenario, it's not appropriate for others - the only answers it seems to me is that they don't really understand that precocious puberty is rather serious and it's still seen as a matter where there can be some disagreement over whether the medication might be too dangerous.

And they also don't realize - and I think this is the crux of it - that there isn't actually any good evidence that pbs work for kids with gender dysphoria.

In fact, I suspect a lot of them don't really have a clear understanding what they are actually supposed to treat in such children, or what a "trans child" is. They have just accepted this is the treatment. They probably don't realize the extent to which is was just a made up idea some doctor thought would be good for better aesthetic results.

It's not a case of Sian Berry and Carla Denyer listening to transactivists - they are transactivists.

I used tribunal tweets to follow Shahrar Ali's case against the Green Party and Sian Berry came out of it worse than anyone else.

I do feel that I unknowingly fell through a portal and I'm no longer in the world where just 5 minutes ago there was no such thing as a trans child. Where children weren't habitually killing themselves because their gender identity wasn't indulged. Why is there no curiosity about the tens of thousands of middle aged women who aren't transitioning now it's suddenly safe to do so?

The 'discrimination' re puberty blockers and gender-questioning children was that they were ever fobbed off with unlicensed 'treatment' with no proven benefits and (at the time) no proper assessment of the safety of the drugs, no proper tracking of outcomes etc.

I see Stella Creasy is in on the act too https://x.com/stellacreasy/status/1866980426008436958
I don’t understand how seemingly intelligent people can be so lacking in critical thinking skills. It's not that hard to grasp that a drug which might be used for one physical condition might not be appropriate or safe for a totally different psychological condition.

She's getting some very tough push back on her ignorance. Good to see.

Tempest my best wishes to you and your DH.