Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

An abuser hiding in plain sight - theatre director turned out to be a paedophile

103 replies

UtopiaPlanitia · 13/12/2024 17:00

Excellent article by Jonny Best describing how a feted theatre director made use of Queer Theory to subvert safeguarding and to promote paedophilia in his work.

And because this man was viewed as positively subversive and anti-capitalist his work was acclaimed rather than condemned for crossing boundaries.

https://thecritic.co.uk/an-abuser-hiding-in-plain-sight/

An abuser hiding in plain sight | Jonny Best | The Critic Magazine

There was shock when a feted theatre director turned out to be a paedophile who collected child rape porn but were the clues there all along?

https://thecritic.co.uk/an-abuser-hiding-in-plain-sight

OP posts:
Thread gallery
10
Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 14/12/2024 13:30

The abuse of children is repeatedly downgraded in favour of the rights of adults to perform fetishes, behave in an age inappropriate way and get unfettered access to children. And we still see the adults speaking up framed as the bigots, repressive etc.

Frighteningly true, MrsO. As a society, we talk a good talk about children. But we just seem to say “Oh dear” when, like now, very determined predators simply crash through all barriers.

JoandArcFeminist · 14/12/2024 14:02

JumpingPumpkin · 14/12/2024 08:50

It’s so bizarre to read all that when you've never been part of that world.

The interview where he acknowledges that he got people cheering on a relationship between a 14 year old and an adult is staggering. But then hard to judge without having seen the work. It obviously seemed more innocent on the surface.

I found a short clip on youtube - it seems it was a one man show, with Goode narrating. I can see with the magical realism veneer it could look innocent to innocent eyes (eg Skellig is a kids book where the two main characters are a boy and a grown man he finds in the shed!) - but far more sinister knowing the subtext Goode may well have been thinking about.

JoandArcFeminist · 14/12/2024 14:05

UtopiaPlanitia · 13/12/2024 17:38

I’m glad you found it interesting.

My mind boggles at how bloody upfront he was in starting a dance troupe with naked boys and because he labelled it with the ‘Current Good Things’ labels it was viewed, by the ‘right thinking’ crowd, as a positive endeavour and not seen as highly inappropriate and very suspect.

And I completely agree that the amount of ‘anti-capitalist’ profit making is bemusing to say the least.

My only vague defence of it being anticapitalist is that, in my experience, if it's "a cult phenomenon in London’s experimental scene" they probably are losing money putting on whatever shows! 😛

JoandArcFeminist · 14/12/2024 14:08

https://theface.com/society/ponyboy-curtis-how-a-cult-theatre-director-disguised-abuse-as-art-chris-goode

I'm reading this now - which has a bit more detail relating to 'ponyboy curtis'
Though this is much much worse than anything I've heard of directly, there does seem to be a real issue with outside theatre directors having inappropriate relationshionhips with student at drama school.

The Face - The original, definitive style magazine

Ponyboy Curtis: how a cult theatre director disguised abuse as art

Chris Goode was considered a genius playwright and director. But the boundaries he pushed were personal. Now his grooming of young actors is coming to light. THE FACE speaks to the survivors.

https://theface.com/society/ponyboy-curtis-how-a-cult-theatre-director-disguised-abuse-as-art-chris-goode

UtopiaPlanitia · 14/12/2024 14:20

I don’t think this woman comes across well in the article.

She was so certain of her virtuous, progressive Lefty stance that the only people she could think of that would possibly complain about the nature of the show were Christian evangelicals and people from the political Right. Those well known boogymen that some on the Left like to blame for everything (like Snowball in Animal Farm).

This woman was so sure of her moral goodness that she couldn’t comprehend that a wide range of people would find her show (complete with naked adults in front of children) troubling for its content.

Also, from the pictures accompanying the article, it seems that the troupe maintains the requisite veneer of quirkiness that seems to be de rigueur (to help things look less threatening to parents and schools) when organisations or people want to promote ideas that transgress boundaries or ignore safeguarding.

I agree with @PriOn1 that so much art and policy these days seems set up to celebrate transgression for the sake of it - rules, norms, boundaries are seen as bad and to be done away with. It feels as though it’s very much:

Step 1: Remove all boundaries (who cares why stuffy old Mr Chesterton has that stupid old fence there)
Step 2: ????
Step 3: Fully automated luxury (anti-capitalist) paradise where the children shall lead

OP posts:
UtopiaPlanitia · 14/12/2024 14:22

JoandArcFeminist · 14/12/2024 14:08

https://theface.com/society/ponyboy-curtis-how-a-cult-theatre-director-disguised-abuse-as-art-chris-goode

I'm reading this now - which has a bit more detail relating to 'ponyboy curtis'
Though this is much much worse than anything I've heard of directly, there does seem to be a real issue with outside theatre directors having inappropriate relationshionhips with student at drama school.

Edited

Thanks for the additional info Joand, I’ll have a read of that this afternoon.

OP posts:
Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 14/12/2024 14:26

‘ The recent extensive C of E cover up that went right to the very top where John Smyth was able to use religious gatherings to repeatedly viciously beat teenage boys since the late 1970s & none of the senior clerics who knew about this bothered to ensure that he was stopped and prosecuted by the police. They evidently didn't see his appalling abuse as serious enough to go the extra mile and insist it was dealt with.‘

Cover up - or a more sinister enthusiasm ?

As an ex-Anglican, I have watched in disbelief as the C o E has embraced every form of transgressive behaviour. The statement that ‘ transgender is a sacred journey’ signed by an ex Cantuar and several other very senior clerics, the installation of Bingo, the ‘ non binary’ glittery eye shadowed father of three into the priesthood of the Children’s Church in Liverpool, York’s promotion of a second baptism for transgendered individuals as a ‘renaming and rebirth’ ceremony ( surely that is heretical, the Creed says ‘one baptism for the remission of sins’ ). Their failure to support any priest or member of the congregation being persecuted for their adherence to gender critical beliefs (as expressed in the Bible ffs) contrasts with their support for the curate who declared from the pulpit that the wound in Christ’s side was a ‘vagina’ which showed that the Saviour was ( possibly) trans……

Something fishy is going on in Newcastle as well , the excellent Bishop there is much exercised over a previous high profile priest being allowed a license to conduct services.

Welby’s appalling speech in the House of Lords, where he basically demonstrated that he thought there was nothing much wrong with the Church’s involvement with this wretched abuser was just awful. Of course, Welby was actually well acquainted with the perpetrator through his early days in the Church.

They are burning incense to false gods, the gods of doing whatever you like in the pursuit of pleasure. Shame on them.

UtopiaPlanitia · 14/12/2024 14:36

I watched Welby’s speech and it was a performative resignation to say the least. He was very jokey for a man who presided over something so shocking. I noticed some of the other clerics sitting beside him were laughing too. I’m not religious but even I thought that the situation merited some gravitas and, at the very least, an appearance of contrition from him.

OP posts:
Mrsbloggz · 14/12/2024 14:49

Very interesting article, thank you.

Pluvia · 14/12/2024 14:58

I just came on to post about this article. The naked pony boys sex shows... I'd really like to know whether he was reported to the police and whether they did anything. Gay male friends of mine had submitted several reports to police about a man in this area whose behaviour is a whole field of red flags, but nothing ever seems to happen — possibly because the suspected predator is a charming gay man who seems to inspire admiration and adoration in most who know him.

JoandArcFeminist · 14/12/2024 15:06

Pluvia · 14/12/2024 14:58

I just came on to post about this article. The naked pony boys sex shows... I'd really like to know whether he was reported to the police and whether they did anything. Gay male friends of mine had submitted several reports to police about a man in this area whose behaviour is a whole field of red flags, but nothing ever seems to happen — possibly because the suspected predator is a charming gay man who seems to inspire admiration and adoration in most who know him.

The article I posted above offers a bit of a picture - seems the performances themselves didn't attract much notice (though there's a mention of someone being sexually assaulted on stage - which I would be interested to know more about / how that differed from the usual shows). the reporting began from the actors complaining about Goode, but most never made it to the police - in 2021 Goode's (much younger) husband reported Goode for abuse within their home, which is how his CSAM was found.

(https://exeuntmagazine.com/reviews/ponyboy-curtis-at-the-yard/

I found this review of them.
It sounds wanky and shit but it had been a group of men organising together (no weird power dynamics) to make this sort of work I wouldn't have too big an issue with it. In and of itself the shows wouldn't be reportable. It's that very young men were coerced into the shows and a lot of the 'rehearsals' Goode arranged imo

https://exeuntmagazine.com/reviews/review-vs-ponyboy-curtis-yard/

this bring up power imbalance between audience and performer. which is interesting when the presumption is the young men involved are enthusiastic about what they're doing. the layer of Goode's coercion outs rather a different spin on things)

Ponyboy Curtis at The Yard |

Catherine Love reviews Ponyboy Curtis at The Yard at The Yard Theatre

https://exeuntmagazine.com/reviews/ponyboy-curtis-at-the-yard

Pluvia · 14/12/2024 15:14

The chilling effect of people's fears of being called prudish or uptight, the relentless pressure to seem cool, they all work towards these men getting away with it. Horrifying that Maddy Costa colluded and couldn't see what was going on in front of her. Useful parallels that explain why so many women (intelligent, apparently feminist, apparently informed women) have been swept up in blind, mind-numbing enthusiasm for GI and trans-ally-ship.

RoyalCorgi · 14/12/2024 15:25

Excellent piece, Jonny - thank you.

There is so much of this stuff around if you care to look. It always fascinates and horrifies me that many people have drawn to Peter Tatchell's endorsement of sexual relationships between adult men and boys, and yet he still regularly appears as a guest on current affairs programmes to talk about trans rights, among other things.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 14/12/2024 15:30

Julie Bindel wrote a very powerful article entitled "Beware false victims - History shows the folly of insisting that certain classes of people can do no wrong"

Amongst her examples was how Islington Council in the 1980s took its support for gay rights to extremes, enabling the institutional abuse of children in its care. They treated gay men as if they could do no wrong - a sacred caste exempt from the normal recruitment standards etc. That's all been rolled back of course after the ensuing scandal of abuse of children by paedophiles but where do we currently see a group demanding exemptions from standard recruitment practices?

https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/may-2023/beware-the-false-victim/

Beware the false victim | Julie Bindel | The Critic Magazine

History shows the folly of insisting that certain classes of people can do no wrong…

https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/may-2023/beware-the-false-victim

lcakethereforeIam · 14/12/2024 16:48

I've just read the article in the Face and my takeaway is that those young men were boiled like frogs. Feared asking questions because they didn't want to look stupid, it might have taken just one speaking up and the whole edifice would have collapsed. It certainly didn't endure with a different cast who knew to question. This sounds victim blamey though and that's not my intent. They were young, naive, starstruck and manipulated.

Goode seems psychopathic. This from his suicide note

I see why I’ve been arrested, and I see why I’m being prosecuted for this. Also, I don’t agree with it. And I stand behind these choices. And I think it’s important and beautiful that people make these images and videos

Petulant and narcissistic.

JonnyBest · 14/12/2024 16:58

MrsOvertonsWindow · 14/12/2024 09:30

This is a really important point. Did it seem more innocent on the surface or have the "predators" (for want of a better word) successfully lowered some people's boundaries to the extent that paedophilia / the unacceptable are being normalised. Two differing examples:
The recent extensive C of E cover up that went right to the very top where John Smyth was able to use religious gatherings to repeatedly viciously beat teenage boys since the late 1970s & none of the senior clerics who knew about this bothered to ensure that he was stopped and prosecuted by the police. They evidently didn't see his appalling abuse as serious enough to go the extra mile and insist it was dealt with.

Take a look at child safeguarding discussions. The NSPCC framing the objectors to their rubber fetish employee wanking in the work place toilets as bigots and homophobes. When we discuss safeguarding childrenon here, note how when an adult transactivist contributes, they never refer to children but always use the language of adults - people, folk etc. This happens everywhere, not just on Mumsnet.

The abuse of children is repeatedly downgraded in favour of the rights of adults to perform fetishes, behave in an age appropriate way and get unfettered access to children and we still see the adults speaking up framed as as the bigots, repressive etc.

It doesn't just happen in the Arts - it's bloody everywhere.

"Did it seem more innocent on the surface or have the "predators" (for want of a better word) successfully lowered some people's boundaries to the extent that paedophilia / the unacceptable are being normalised".

Good question - I've thought about this a lot. 'The Adventures of Wound Man and Shirley' is the story of a superhero with a teenage sidekick - there's nothing dubious about the premise of it, or the story, except for one or two moments where the subtext can be seen as suggesting that the superhero - Wound Man - has some sort of 'past'. (I quote one of these bits in the article.). At this point in his career, Chris Goode had not made any of the sexually explicit work he became known for, nor had he yet written the more troubling plays in which sexualised children appeared as characters. So, at the time, the play seemed innocent...albeit with this troubling subtextual moment or two. And the writing is beautiful - Chris was a remarkable storyteller. The play is a disarmingly whimsical sort of bedtime story - it charmed us all, just as he did.

UtopiaPlanitia · 14/12/2024 17:07

JoandArcFeminist · 14/12/2024 14:08

https://theface.com/society/ponyboy-curtis-how-a-cult-theatre-director-disguised-abuse-as-art-chris-goode

I'm reading this now - which has a bit more detail relating to 'ponyboy curtis'
Though this is much much worse than anything I've heard of directly, there does seem to be a real issue with outside theatre directors having inappropriate relationshionhips with student at drama school.

Edited

Bloody hell, this article is shocking and the grooming techniques Goode used are so familiar:

For new performers, the rules of The Field were not always clear. One of the tactics Goode used to enable his manipulation was the use of “extremely technical, abstract academic language that became the currency in the room,” says Blue. It was so impenetrable that Hopkins began to assume his inability to understand Goode’s vision was a flaw in him. “People would see the work and read things into it that I didn’t. They’d use language where I just couldn’t work out what they meant from it.” Ultimately, he was left feeling “stupid… by people not wanting to seem dumb”.

This breakdown of communication in rehearsals didn’t only serve to humiliate. With no way of talking normally and directly to each other, no one could address moments in rehearsals where their sexual or physical boundaries had been stepped over by others. And with the work being nonverbal, consent – in the form we know it – was completely absent.

And:

“But this was no match for the industry’s adoration, even if behind closed doors people were less certain of Goode’s vision. “The work was being made for theatre people,” says Hopkins, and nobody in theatre “wants to be the person who says: ‘I didn’t get it.’” ”

And this is particularly horrifying:

“Gilligan learned of Goode’s death on 2nd June. His husband’s 19-page suicide note, he says, “didn’t really accept, or focus on, what harm he had caused”. Instead, Goode wrote about how the charges against him were “going to mess up my work and my legacy”. Regarding the photos and videos that had led to his arrest, his point of view was very clear, says Gilligan: “I see why I’ve been arrested, and I see why I’m being prosecuted for this. Also, I don’t agree with it. And I stand behind these choices. And I think it’s important and beautiful that people make these images and videos.” Goode went on to say he didn’t want this “dissonance” to “get in the way of how people see my work. I think the work itself should still be valued. And that’s why I’m dying.””

Here is the usual declaration of doctrine, which, in an article about abuse and abuser dynamic feels, rather feels like an attempt to be allowed to criticise a member of fashionable society while staying part of it and not being shunned for making the group look bad. It’s making connections about what happened to these young men but trying not to look to far outside accepted mores for explanations for Goode’s behaviour (unlike Jonny Best’s article which analyses the boundary-breaking influence of Queer Theory on the Arts:

It is worth noting, at this point, that Chris Goode’s legacy contains a dangerous combination of attributes often connected to homosexual men. Political movements looking to whip up homophobic sentiment have incorrectly associated homosexuality with the grooming of minors and paedophilia: we see it in the language of the Third Reich, in Section 28, and even now in the insidious remarks of gender-critical thinkers who accuse drag queens in libraries of being overly sexualised threats to their charges.”

And this, oft repeated, dynamic in organisations where no-one feels they can challenge inappropriate behaviour from someone who is on the rise or has won favour and plaudits and status is such a disappointing part of societies:

Hopkins found other parts of the industry had been complicit in letting Goode wield so much influence: reviewers were too cosy – “[Ponyboy] wasn’t reviewed by critics, it was reviewed by other artists” – and even if audiences felt uncomfortable, he doesn’t understand why more people didn’t try and challenge what they were seeing on stage. In the years since, Hopkins says multiple people have said “we all knew” about Goode’s abusive behaviours. “And it’s like… well, say something!””

OP posts:
selffellatingouroborosofhate · 14/12/2024 18:13

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 14/12/2024 14:26

‘ The recent extensive C of E cover up that went right to the very top where John Smyth was able to use religious gatherings to repeatedly viciously beat teenage boys since the late 1970s & none of the senior clerics who knew about this bothered to ensure that he was stopped and prosecuted by the police. They evidently didn't see his appalling abuse as serious enough to go the extra mile and insist it was dealt with.‘

Cover up - or a more sinister enthusiasm ?

As an ex-Anglican, I have watched in disbelief as the C o E has embraced every form of transgressive behaviour. The statement that ‘ transgender is a sacred journey’ signed by an ex Cantuar and several other very senior clerics, the installation of Bingo, the ‘ non binary’ glittery eye shadowed father of three into the priesthood of the Children’s Church in Liverpool, York’s promotion of a second baptism for transgendered individuals as a ‘renaming and rebirth’ ceremony ( surely that is heretical, the Creed says ‘one baptism for the remission of sins’ ). Their failure to support any priest or member of the congregation being persecuted for their adherence to gender critical beliefs (as expressed in the Bible ffs) contrasts with their support for the curate who declared from the pulpit that the wound in Christ’s side was a ‘vagina’ which showed that the Saviour was ( possibly) trans……

Something fishy is going on in Newcastle as well , the excellent Bishop there is much exercised over a previous high profile priest being allowed a license to conduct services.

Welby’s appalling speech in the House of Lords, where he basically demonstrated that he thought there was nothing much wrong with the Church’s involvement with this wretched abuser was just awful. Of course, Welby was actually well acquainted with the perpetrator through his early days in the Church.

They are burning incense to false gods, the gods of doing whatever you like in the pursuit of pleasure. Shame on them.

What ever happened to Mark 10:45 ("For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve") and the idea that when God made you one particular sex, He made no mistake?

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 14/12/2024 18:21

UtopiaPlanitia · 14/12/2024 17:07

Bloody hell, this article is shocking and the grooming techniques Goode used are so familiar:

For new performers, the rules of The Field were not always clear. One of the tactics Goode used to enable his manipulation was the use of “extremely technical, abstract academic language that became the currency in the room,” says Blue. It was so impenetrable that Hopkins began to assume his inability to understand Goode’s vision was a flaw in him. “People would see the work and read things into it that I didn’t. They’d use language where I just couldn’t work out what they meant from it.” Ultimately, he was left feeling “stupid… by people not wanting to seem dumb”.

This breakdown of communication in rehearsals didn’t only serve to humiliate. With no way of talking normally and directly to each other, no one could address moments in rehearsals where their sexual or physical boundaries had been stepped over by others. And with the work being nonverbal, consent – in the form we know it – was completely absent.

And:

“But this was no match for the industry’s adoration, even if behind closed doors people were less certain of Goode’s vision. “The work was being made for theatre people,” says Hopkins, and nobody in theatre “wants to be the person who says: ‘I didn’t get it.’” ”

And this is particularly horrifying:

“Gilligan learned of Goode’s death on 2nd June. His husband’s 19-page suicide note, he says, “didn’t really accept, or focus on, what harm he had caused”. Instead, Goode wrote about how the charges against him were “going to mess up my work and my legacy”. Regarding the photos and videos that had led to his arrest, his point of view was very clear, says Gilligan: “I see why I’ve been arrested, and I see why I’m being prosecuted for this. Also, I don’t agree with it. And I stand behind these choices. And I think it’s important and beautiful that people make these images and videos.” Goode went on to say he didn’t want this “dissonance” to “get in the way of how people see my work. I think the work itself should still be valued. And that’s why I’m dying.””

Here is the usual declaration of doctrine, which, in an article about abuse and abuser dynamic feels, rather feels like an attempt to be allowed to criticise a member of fashionable society while staying part of it and not being shunned for making the group look bad. It’s making connections about what happened to these young men but trying not to look to far outside accepted mores for explanations for Goode’s behaviour (unlike Jonny Best’s article which analyses the boundary-breaking influence of Queer Theory on the Arts:

It is worth noting, at this point, that Chris Goode’s legacy contains a dangerous combination of attributes often connected to homosexual men. Political movements looking to whip up homophobic sentiment have incorrectly associated homosexuality with the grooming of minors and paedophilia: we see it in the language of the Third Reich, in Section 28, and even now in the insidious remarks of gender-critical thinkers who accuse drag queens in libraries of being overly sexualised threats to their charges.”

And this, oft repeated, dynamic in organisations where no-one feels they can challenge inappropriate behaviour from someone who is on the rise or has won favour and plaudits and status is such a disappointing part of societies:

Hopkins found other parts of the industry had been complicit in letting Goode wield so much influence: reviewers were too cosy – “[Ponyboy] wasn’t reviewed by critics, it was reviewed by other artists” – and even if audiences felt uncomfortable, he doesn’t understand why more people didn’t try and challenge what they were seeing on stage. In the years since, Hopkins says multiple people have said “we all knew” about Goode’s abusive behaviours. “And it’s like… well, say something!””

One of the tactics Goode used to enable his manipulation was the use of “extremely technical, abstract academic language that became the currency in the room

I believe that the speaker is responsible for making sure that their message is easy to understand and has been understood and I consider it a red flag when someone doesn't share that belief. As I've got older, I've realised that using baroque language can be a deliberate tactic to undermine people, abuse them, and excluding them by creating an "in-group" of those who know what the speaker means (or at least pretend to) and an "out-group" of those who don't. It can be unintentional as well, I think we've all been in meetings that are full of jargon and initialisms, but usually when it's not intentional, the speaker doesn't try to shame you when you ask for clarification.

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 14/12/2024 21:29

Goode can be written off because it turns out he wasn’t inclusive, queer and anti-capitalist at all. He was a fascist.

I'm so sick of the hypocrisy of those in the arts who bang on about being "anti - capitalist". Capitalism isn't perfect but it's a damn sight better by many gazillion miles than the alternative. It's capitalism, not socialism, which allows freedom of expression in the arts.

I live in Edinburgh so have experienced the nonsense of the Edinburgh Book Festival refusing sponsorship from Baillie Gifford and then relocating to a new venue which wouldn't exist at all without Baillie Gifford sponsorship.

ScrollingLeaves · 14/12/2024 22:36

I can hardly believe what I have just read in Der Spiegel.

What sort of society could come to these conclusions? It is not even in line with nature seeing as children cannot have children, and pubescent children are in danger of death if they do. I can only find these people sick. And they are from among our European neighbours.

It is proof never to just trust ‘educationists’ including now. This was as late as 1985. They sincerely thought they were on the right side of history no doubt.

Thank you too for The Critic article which so clearly shows the unfolding of the flawed train of thought that there should be no boundaries/queer theory and the way it paves for paedophiles to manipulate it.

The influence of the idea seems to have spread when you think how libraries are taken in, believing that no boundaries fir children and introducing them to inclusivity are the same thing: bringing in cross dressing men to read to them.

As for how people are smugly using the word ‘Queer’ to give themselves undeserved gravitas over anything the slightest bit different, it is ridiculous. I saw one art curator calling himself a Queerator.
And it invariably gets mixed in with sex.

ScrollingLeaves · 14/12/2024 22:42

That was in response to this post:

@RethinkingLife · Today 09:21

Fenlandia · 14/12/2024 23:05

JonnyBest · 14/12/2024 00:36

I'm still around, but not as active on social media. Definitely still in the fight though, and trying to be useful where I can.

Thank you Jonny, I've been reading your stuff for years on this benighted topic.

UtopiaPlanitia · 14/12/2024 23:55

ScrollingLeaves · 14/12/2024 22:36

I can hardly believe what I have just read in Der Spiegel.

What sort of society could come to these conclusions? It is not even in line with nature seeing as children cannot have children, and pubescent children are in danger of death if they do. I can only find these people sick. And they are from among our European neighbours.

It is proof never to just trust ‘educationists’ including now. This was as late as 1985. They sincerely thought they were on the right side of history no doubt.

Thank you too for The Critic article which so clearly shows the unfolding of the flawed train of thought that there should be no boundaries/queer theory and the way it paves for paedophiles to manipulate it.

The influence of the idea seems to have spread when you think how libraries are taken in, believing that no boundaries fir children and introducing them to inclusivity are the same thing: bringing in cross dressing men to read to them.

As for how people are smugly using the word ‘Queer’ to give themselves undeserved gravitas over anything the slightest bit different, it is ridiculous. I saw one art curator calling himself a Queerator.
And it invariably gets mixed in with sex.

Have you encountered this horrific story before?

The German Experiment That Placed Foster Children with Pedophiles

I read this a few years ago and was simply horrified that a system that was supposed to protect children instead allowed itself to be subverted in this manner.

But there has been a lot boundary-breaking and safeguarding-breaking in the name of liberation in recent decades and no-one seems to learn from the tragedies that happen as a result. Calling people prudish should not be the first thing that happens when they reasonably point out that throwing out rules and boundaries without giving the consequences serious thought is opening the door to predators.

The German Experiment That Placed Foster Children with Pedophiles

With the approval of the government, a renowned sexologist ran a dangerous program. How could this happen?

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/26/the-german-experiment-that-placed-foster-children-with-pedophiles

OP posts:
ScrollingLeaves · 15/12/2024 13:53

UtopiaPlanitia · 14/12/2024 23:55

Have you encountered this horrific story before?

The German Experiment That Placed Foster Children with Pedophiles

I read this a few years ago and was simply horrified that a system that was supposed to protect children instead allowed itself to be subverted in this manner.

But there has been a lot boundary-breaking and safeguarding-breaking in the name of liberation in recent decades and no-one seems to learn from the tragedies that happen as a result. Calling people prudish should not be the first thing that happens when they reasonably point out that throwing out rules and boundaries without giving the consequences serious thought is opening the door to predators.

Thank you, I had, but am glad of the reminder and getting a link again.

It is beyond belief.

Then there was that US Kinsey writing the sex report that led to people believing that babies [abused by adults] are sexual. I think that belief may still be taught in official guidelines -WHO for example (?)

And the Family Court trope about mother’s alienating their children from their fathers, started by a pro-paedophile psychiatrist Richard Gardner.