The latest fallouts in GC world

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My terfing energy has been focussed elsewhere in recent months and I haven't been here or on TwiX or social media much. Now I've taken responsibility for tweeting/ comms on behalf of a small but potentially significant LGB group and I discover that there seems to be something going on — another schism — in GC world. Jane Clare Jones's name seems to be coming up a lot. Something seems to have gone on but I can't work out what.

If it was my own account I'd just ignore, but the followers of this account are bringing it up and seem to expect an opinion to be expressed or a side to be taken. Also I'm seeing a lot about 'ultras' and 'lites', which is new to me. Can anyone enlighten me? I need to tread carefully.

@ArabellaScott I had forgotten about the elderly woman. As I said, I think some of the women left there when KJK left were at serious risk.
KJK was being shoved and someone - a security person I think? - was holding onto her firmly. It is there job to make sure she does not fall. And police do not say that kind of thing.
I know it is scary. But are any of you activists? Have you never been present at demos with shoving and shouting? Have you never been at demos with people like the EDL and police trying to stop one or both sides attacking each other? It is scary, but it is not unusual in controversial events and demos. How women here talk about Auckland just makes me assume you are all new to any political activism.

Have you never been at demos with people like the EDL

I have to say I've never been to a demo with the EDL no.

The police had been told not to enter the park. So it would be like the EDL versus one woman that they hated because of the lies told by the Australian and other media and politicians, and no police in attendance at all.

How utterly patronising.

Bloody hell, the condescension!

I fully believe the police said what KJK reports. Why would she lie? She's not known for lying, rather the opposite in fact. It's quite refreshing imo.

Oh are we playing Activist Top Trumps now?

Play I will leave you to your false narrative of KJK nearly died. And it is okay to have the extreme right wing at your events.

Its been less than one day since a federal court in Australia found this to be completely untrue.

You might want to keep up with current events. It's been all over X.

Indeed.

I find it really weird that people come on here and expect us to respect their random opinion when talking about things that were recorded (so we can see for ourself and make up our own mind) and reported on by people there who we have more reason to trust.

Plus also the fact that condescension and lack of respect is rarely a way to convince other people to one's opinion.

Don't be silly, @CandyMaker you have no idea what could have happened. At no point was KJK safe in the middle of a howling mob. This is vile. And you wonder why people don't find you and your friends very nice or particularly feminist, despite the wordy diatribes?

Keen Derangement Syndrome, as someone said on another thread earlier.

The police had been told not to enter the park. So it would be like the EDL versus one woman that they hated because of the lies told by the Australian and other media and politicians, and no police in attendance at all.

Exactly. Complete misrepresentation by the pp.

I said she was uninjured and bunded out by security. I said I understand it would be scary. But no one threatened to kill her and she was not injured.

@CandyMaker

You're not in any way an authority on this. We've all seen the footage. Some of us were actually watching it live. She was in danger, has been at other events as well, and at other times she has had her life directly threatened.

The fact that other women were injured badly by the trans activists doesn't back up your "point", but the reverse. Really not sure what you imagine you're doing.

Why are my comments wordy diatribes? I am not verbally attacking anyone. And my comments are no longer, or shorter than other comments.
Or is this just a middle class acceptable personal insult I do not know about?

I find it really weird that people come on here and expect us to respect their random opinion when talking about things that were recorded (so we can see for ourself and make up our own mind) and reported on by people there who we have more reason to trust.

I agree. It's baffling. I think some people just think that some readers won't bother to check, and that means they can push misinformation and have it accepted as the narrative.

no one threatened to kill her oh my giddy aunt. She gets death threats all the time. Minimizing male violence and violent threats is not a good look

We need a little refresher from Dworkin;
Feminism is a political practice of fighting male supremacy on behalf of women as a class, including all the women you don’t like, including all the women you don’t want to be around, including all the women who used to be your best friends whom you don’t want anything to do with any more. It doesn’t matter who the individual women are.” - Andrea Dworkin

@themostspecialelfintheworkshop at the event. No one threatened to kill her at the event.
Anyone active gets death threats sadly.
I do not think you understand the Dworkin quote you posted though.

I'm talking generally about the likes of Jane Clare Jones and her fans. Most people who are familiar with her would understand that as a reference to her lengthy screeds.

And I'm not actually middle class, not that it's relevant in any way, so you can dial down your class warrior schtick.

Wow - there's some serious gaslighting going on here. In this interview KJK did with Julia HB there's some footage of the mob trying to get at her. Looking at the violence, you can guarantee that if they'd got their hands on her, she'd likely have been killed, so out of control were they.

I do not think you understand the Dworkin quote you posted though.

In what sense has she misunderstood it?

"I could hear a lot of expletives telling me to ‘eff off’. A lot of ‘Posie’s a Nazi’, ‘get her’, ‘kill the Nazi’. "

Sounds a lot like death threats at the event to me to me.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.spiked-online.com/2023/03/28/i-thought-i-would-be-crushed-to-death/amp/

Wow - there's some serious gaslighting going on here. In this interview KJK did with with Julia HB there's some footage of the mob trying to get at her. Looking at the violence, you can guarantee that if they'd got their hands on her, she'd likely have been killed, so out of control were they.

Exactly, horrifying to watch.

Fans? Who are her fans?