LGB Alliance is intervening along with lesbian groups to spell out why defining what is a woman is crucial for those who are same sex attracted

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On 26-27 November the UK Supreme Court will consider a question over which politicians continually stumble but that all reasonable people can answer without difficulty – what is a woman? In a case brought by For Women Scotland, the Court will decide whether the administrative process of awarding of a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) turns a man into a woman for “all purposes”, and in doing so, removes the protections for women outlined in the Equality Act 2010.

This case is crucial for lesbians, and LGB Alliance is intervening along with lesbian groups to spell out why. Apparently it is not obvious. When the Equality and Human Rights Commission noted to the Inner Court of Session “If sex means legal sex, then sexual orientation changes on acquiring a GRC”, Lady Haldane responded in her judgment: “We confess that we have not found it easy to follow this particular submission. It is not a necessary inference from Section 9 of the GRA that a person’s sexual orientation changes on acquiring a GRC. There is no such thing as being ‘legally lesbian’ and we have not identified a problem which would require that sex be referable to biology alone.”

No one is sexually attracted to a certificate. It should be clear that the sexual orientation of lesbians – and indeed of anyone else – is about physical characteristics and not paperwork. The definition of sexual orientation in the Equality Act 2010 hinges on the definition of sex in that Act.

LGB Alliance was pleased to be given permission to submit evidence as an Intervener because it was deemed we raised “novel, important and relevant points of law”. These relate specifically to the impact on lesbians of men who apply for a GRC and, subsequently,
call themselves lesbians.

Full statement here https://lgballiance.org.uk/what-is-a-woman-lgb-alliance-intervenes-in-a-landmark-case/

(I know there's an existing thread about the court case, but feel it is important to spell out how the TWAW narrative impacts on lesbians as this often gets overlooked.)

No one is sexually attracted to a certificate.

No one is sexually attracted to a certificate.
I wouldn't bet on it! Disturbingly, there are men who are sexually attracted to almost anything😱
Seriously though, this is a very important intervention, well done the LGBA.

Hoovers?

Unlikely, nature abhors a vacuum.

Erm 😱

I've been feeling so angry about the whole trans issue and I said to a friend the other day that I really feel angry on behalf of lesbians because it's like they're being told that they have to accept a fucking man in their dating pool when a man, even if he does call himself a woman is the absolute last thing a lesbian wants. Saying they have to accept girl dick is just so fucking rapey and if they don't then they get vilified. Sorry for going on I'm just at blow up point of anger for all this twaw bollocks 🤬

Great news. Mr banned said it would have to have variable suction controls BTW!

Brought to you by the same ideology that demands a ban on conversion therapy...make it make sense.

I'm bisexual and I still don't want a man in the female end of my dating pool.

Agree. Well done LGB Alliance 👏👏👏

👏👏👏

Sadly, I lost the naïveté when someone posted reports of men who use man hole covers in roads and streets. I already knew about hoovers sadly.

Without distracting from lesbians who have my wholehearted support, if Mr ZeldaFighter acquired a GRC, I would be married to a woman- ie in a lesbian marriage.

Equally, if I decided to formally recognise my love of Sci-fi and got myself a Boy GRC, Mr ZeldaFighter would now be in a gay marriage.

I can't believe the judge couldn't see the impact on all existing relationships.

On the bright side you'd be covered by one of the hate crime strands.

One of the closing comments in today's hearing, which I take to be positive(?)

"Have found lesbian submissions very useful"

Let me guess, the "lesbian groups" you speak of have the dominant focus/aim of being gender critical same as the LGBAlliance?

Again, this is exclusively a gender critical thing.

Go to any (regular, non gender critical) gay bar in the country and tell them what you posted here and I guarantee they will all tell you there's no need for you to be "angry" or anything on their behalf.

Go to any (regular, non gender critical) gay bar.

So go to any Gender Identity supporting gay bar and they will agree that they agree with gender identity.

In other news, the pope wears a funny hat.

They actually said "Sex Matters" and TT acknowledged this in a later tweet. We didn't hear any lesbian submissions per se, I'm not sure if the Scottish Lesbians ones are written only or will be oral submissions tomorrow, but the topic of same sex attracted people came up a lot in the FWS and Sex Matters ones.

Sorry was quote from the thread about the court hearing.

And at the end of the thread reader for the afternoon session, "lesbian submissions" were thanked.

And there is a link to them on the Sex Matters web site where they have published their own submission.

I just liked the idea of lesbians being thanked in a court, let alone the Supreme Court!

Are those the sort of gay bars which are full of lesbians with penises (otherwise known as heterosexual men)?

Don’t they know they should centre men and TW? More reeducation is needed!

I wish I hadn't seen this. Not a surprise. Reminded me of the Big Bang Theory episode where Howard invents a robot hand...

The sort of gay bar where men say they are lesbians?
The rest of the world knows that gay men are attracted to men, people with penises, and gay women (aka lesbians) are attracted to women, people who not only do not have a penis but who have an entirely different reproductive system which includes a vulva.
You really need a good biology book - possibly one for five year olds!

Are you speaking of the same sex attracted females......i think they're called lesbians, you know the ones whose opinion actually matters when it comes to it.
Or do you mean the ones that want to be lesbians but never will be because they are the wrong sex.

You don't speak for me thankfully and none of the lesbians that I know.

Interesting that a certain few have landed on this thread about LGBA and lesbians to tell us all about how everybody in (their) real world thinks.

Yet seem to steer well clear of the legal discussions on the case that has massive ramifications either way.

Is it possible that thems have no stomach for trying to hold out on the actual legal arguments, perhaps do not have the intellect to understand the legal debate, or, most probably prefer the nonsense spouted on Reddit such as:

the courts have no business considering the issue it should be left to academics.

I cannot identify another day in (my political and intellectual thinking) ergo my life, that i have felt such joy.

Because in the unlikely event that the court goes with the Scottish parliament then as Helen Joyce states we know who we are going after and that is the legislators