Gender critical lesbian "forced" to leave lesbian bar after being accused of a "hate crime"

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Jenny Watson, 32, says she was accused of ‘hate crime’ in the traumatic incident, and claims bouncers removed her with such force that she was left with bruised wrists.

Although she had no interactions with anyone but her friends at the She bar in Soho last month, she believes a transgender customer recognised her from social media and urged staff to kick her out.

Ms Watson says staff told her she had ‘committed a hate crime’ without specifying what, adding: ‘I suspect this trans-identifying man went to staff because he recognised me, then they made this decision because of what he said. The ejection was clearly motivated by my beliefs.’

Ms Watson, a town planner, is now considering whether to take legal action, as it is unlawful to discriminate over gender-critical opinions.

Article continues at https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14033963/lesbian-womens-rights-campaigner-forced-trans-bar.html

I'd be happy to contribute to a fundraiser. These fuckers need putting back in their box.

Just to clarify, from a legal perspective
of course there is absolutely no excuse to be unduly forceful, and if she was hurt then that's awful and she should absolutely take this further against the bouncer
But legally, pubs can refuse entry and remove people for any reason that isnt protected by the equality act (ie not a protected characteristic)
the article also says that police noted no unlawful activity from the pub in ejecting her

Gender critical belief is a protected characteristic.

Gender critical belief is a protected characteristic.

Yep.

Seperate to any claim for discrimination (in relation to her protected belief), could this also be cause for the establishment's alcohol licence to be reviewed? They surely cant be allowed to operate a policy of violence against people whose religious or philosophical beliefs they dislike without consequence?

i stand corrected, didnt know that

It has held up in court, several times now that yes, gender critical beliefs are protected under "belief and religion".

I'm not sure what is hard to understand about that.

The police not giving a shit is absolutely nothing new.

50 years ago an openly lesbian woman in a bar would have faced discrimination and possibly asked to leave with the oppressor generally being a white male and the victim being lesbian and female.

Today with the white male now identifying as a woman they have become the victims and the oppressor has become the lesbian woman.

In the Victimhood Pyramid, trans rights trumps lesbian rights.

This is madness.

A woman who was just minding her business being kicked out of a lesbian bar simply because of the words of a man.

I must say I was sympathetic to transgender people (because I would not want anyone to be discriminated against) but this type of nonsense has made me hardened my views on the issue.

It has gone from seeking acceptance/fairness which is fine to imposing views on others and invading women-only spaces. Not acceptable.

Next time you hear someone pushing for "trans rights", bear in mind that this is what they're campaigning for. Even if they don't know it.

It has gone from seeking acceptance/fairness which is fine to imposing views on others and invading women-only spaces.
Yes, I dread to think what the future will bring.

Or to put it another way...

... Today an openly lesbian woman in a bar faces discrimination and is asked to leave with the oppressor generally being a white male.

The only difference is, instead of punishing women who won't fuck him because he's a man, he punishes women who won't fuck him while pretending he's a woman.

Jenny has commented on the DM article saying that 2/3 of the bar staff were also men pretending to be women. She said she was going to tweet some more details about the incident. Has anyone seen her tweets?

Judging by last year's contretemps and this one, she might launch a fundraiser for her own bar/dating app (mentioned in story).

But she argues that as a growing number of males identify as female and lesbian, there is a need to protect single-sex spaces. She plans to launch her own bar and dating app for biologically female lesbians only.
‘Lesbians are under attack, not by the outside world, but by the LGBTQ+ movement. If a man can dictate who gets to stay in a lesbian bar, then lesbian spaces are no longer safe for lesbians. This has to change.’
A spokeswoman for the bar said She had been ‘a safe and welcoming environment for the LGBTQ+ community’ for more than 20 years, and that police had attended and ‘dismissed any claims of unlawful ejection’.
Ms Watson was involved in a transphobia row last year when she said only ‘adult human females’ could join her lesbian speed-dating events.

Dear God this woman hadn’t actually done anything wrong but someone in the bar disliked her and got bar staff to manhandle her out??

So much for tolerance and pretty rainbows 🌈 🤮

Yay, inclusion (but not for lesbians who don’t do d@ck), what are they doing in a lesbian bar! Yay, Diversity (but not diversity of thought obv., no wrong think here)!

I think you need to get up to speed on this issue especially if you’re going to post on this board!

In fairness, sadmillenial immediately posted 'I stand corrected'.

Ah, je m’excuse! Didn’t see this. Sorry 😔 @sadmillenial

Yes, gender critical beliefs are protected but sexual orientation is also a protected characteristic.
She's a lesbian being discriminated against for being openly lesbian by publicly refusing to include men in her dating life. That's why she is 'familiar' on social media and why she was recognised. I think this is just good old fashioned homophobia.
If she does sue, I'd hope that this would be the reason. I'd very much like to see the right of lesbians to be openly lesbian set into case law too.

Same.

She was discriminated against for her gender critical views. Which include the fact that homosexuality is based on sex.

It's absolutely fucking batshit that lesbians had to set up their own bars in order to meet other women, and exclude men. And now those exact same men have forced their way in and are exercising their sexism and homophobia all over again.

I would absolutely contribute towards setting up a female only bar. Again.

possibly asked to leave with the oppressor generally being a white male and the victim being lesbian and female.

And fifty years on, the oppressor is still a white male ...

I must say I was sympathetic to transgender people (because I would not want anyone to be discriminated against) but this type of nonsense has made me hardened my views on the issue.

Yes @Startingagainandagain I'm the same. I find I have a knee jerk reaction of suspicion to people claiming trans identities now. I don't like this about myself, and I have to remind myself to live and let live, but this is the what transactivist batshittery has done. It's an own goal for ordinary transpeople.

‘And fifty years on, the oppressor is still a white male ...’

TBF , the skin colour of the male is pretty irrelevant here. Plenty of this sort of thing across the racial spectrum…..

The police wouldn't give a shit because discrimination under the Equality Act 2010 is a civil matter, not a criminal one.