Gender critical lesbian "forced" to leave lesbian bar after being accused of a "hate crime"

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Jenny Watson, 32, says she was accused of ‘hate crime’ in the traumatic incident, and claims bouncers removed her with such force that she was left with bruised wrists.

Although she had no interactions with anyone but her friends at the She bar in Soho last month, she believes a transgender customer recognised her from social media and urged staff to kick her out.

Ms Watson says staff told her she had ‘committed a hate crime’ without specifying what, adding: ‘I suspect this trans-identifying man went to staff because he recognised me, then they made this decision because of what he said. The ejection was clearly motivated by my beliefs.’

Ms Watson, a town planner, is now considering whether to take legal action, as it is unlawful to discriminate over gender-critical opinions.

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What do you think the police would have said if they'd ejected her for her known public adherence to some other belief system (say, she was a Muslim convert)?

I wish she would sue, but I suppose she has better things to do with her time.

For anyone who doesn't know, her beliefs are as mild as milk and totally Grainger compliant. She's fine with trans-inclusive lesbian bars. She just thinks lesbians should also be allowed to have at least one bar that's for females only.

Doesn't mean you can use said belief to cause trouble at a bar or anywhere else for that matter.

It wasn't long ago a man with such beliefs put joke-pronouns as his email signature in his Council job in some sort of "protest" and refused to remove them. The outcome of that was he was fired, he then took the Council to court and lost and had to pay a big fine.

You really a piece of work. Do tell us exactly how she was causing trouble.....

I read that case and the situation is entirely different.

And there doesn't seem to be any evidence this woman was causing trouble. Someone just objected to her known beliefs due to recognising her from social media. Is that OK? Doesn't sound it to me.

Doesn't mean you can use said belief to cause trouble at a bar or anywhere else for that matter.

You're shading into the Constable Savage sketch from Not the Nine O'Clock News.

Yes, I'd also like to know how she was causing trouble. According to the report, she didn't even speak to anyone else there.
How do you 'cause trouble' by quietly having a drink with friends and not engaging with anyone else?
She was only kicked out because someone recognised her as being openly lesbian on social media, not because she did anything at the bar.

I'm a lesbian. I know people who know Jenny Watson very well, one who worked with her. I will not be contributing to a crowdfunder and nor will a great many lesbians who are acquainted with her. I've never known a woman attract so much trouble and get so much publicity and support, some of it financial, as a result.

This isn't about whether she's a saint, or is able to ingratiate herself with people.

This is about someone having a quiet drink with friends, and because someone else there doesn't like her gender critical views, got her thrown out of the bar.

There is a huge difference between some trouble maker going round picking fights, and someone being persecuted because people dont like their politics.

She isn't attracting trouble.

The problem is the TRAs and all those who stand by and do nothing, who spend their whole life trying to undermine women who are prepared to stand up for women's rights.

I suppose you think Maya Forstater was attracting trouble, and no doubt Roz Adams too.

If someone is going to stand up against the TRA monolith, you kind of need that person to be capable of attracting attention, garnering publicity and raising money, though.

Several pp’s have asked how she was causing trouble. Do you really think that women with ‘problematic views’ shouldn’t be allowed to go out for a drink @Christinapple because that would be ‘causing trouble’?
You might think that’s a reasonable view, but I’m sure other readers can see the misogyny

Would you care to say a bit more for those of us who are less connected?

That's exactly what Chris thinks.

Women who won't chant the mantra should stay home on the urinary leash, while the Stunning and Brave MK2 Women (the penisy kind) live their best LARP in women's spaces. Supported by a cast of simpering handmaidens.

This is the Progressive and Inclusive Way, and fuck all those boring cunty women who won't play pretend.

It's not that long ago (2019, in fact) that a group of lesbians sitting on chairs were booted out of a venue for being, er, lesbians sitting on chairs.

You don't actually have to do anything wrong to attract the ire of these lunatics. You just have to sit there quietly, being a lesbian.

@theilltemperedqueenofspacetime

"What do you think the police would have said if they'd ejected her for her known public adherence to some other belief system (say, she was a Muslim convert)?"

Nothing. Because religious discrimination is not a criminal matter in the UK, it is a civil one.

I'd also be interested in hearing how she was causing trouble, please, so I can clarify my opinion on this case. Thank you.

Interested in hearing more, please, so I can be better informed? Particularly, how she was attracting trouble on this occasion.

I could say a fair bit — and those who went to Filia in Glasgow last year may remember the Jenny Watson incident there. All I can say is that a number of high profile lesbians who initially welcomed Jenny to the London community have stepped away, and that Jenny has fairly recently launched a dating app which she's publicising.

I'm not for a moment supporting a so-called lesbian space that allows males who self-identify as lesbians, or their 'allies' in their premises. I'd suggest waiting for the CCTV footage that Jenny has promised before taking any kind of action.

I suppose you think Maya Forstater was attracting trouble, and no doubt Roz Adams too.

Now you're being childish, which makes me wonder... I've met Maya and Roz, as well as Jenny. I contributed to their crowdfunders. They're not grifters.

You're being rather coy. Maybe put your money where your mouth is for the benefit of those of us who don't know about JW or the Filia incident?

Okay, Marc with a C, go ahead, give her your money!

Is that your answer to Marc's question? Total avoidance?

I will be honest, I did think there is something slightly fishy about this incident even before Pluvia's comment. I would be a little wary before donating any money. I don't think Pluvia's posting history suggests her having an issue with GC lesbians either, unless I am thinking of the wrong person.

I didn't say I wanted to give her money.
You've made somewhat allusive comments so far, and I and others would like a bit of detail. That's all.

@Pluvia what was the 'jenny watson incident'?

It can be hard to give detail about this kind of personal thing online without being outing and inappropriate.

A Google suggests Watson was kicked out of a bar at filia for being a lesbian as well and was interviewed.