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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trump statement on gender.

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lechiffre55 · 10/11/2024 22:06

Trump's statement on gender/trasgender.
3 min 43 seconds so not long.
There's a whole bunch of speeches on different topics. If you want to see other topics link top left "BACK TO VIDEOS" Three pages of video links.
You will disagree with what he says in some of the videos.
I am told all these videos were made before he won.

www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47/president-trumps-plan-to-protect-children-from-left-wing-gender-insanity

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Bannedontherun · 10/11/2024 22:09

The man is a friggin lunatic, but hey ho every cloud has a silver lining.

SquirrelSoShiny · 10/11/2024 22:12

The lawsuits will be coming thick and fast and that will probably be the end of this mad, cruel social experiment on children.

lechiffre55 · 10/11/2024 22:18

Video 1 page 1 is war on the drug cartels.
Like full scale military war.
America suffers hugely from drug deaths, not sure how this is going to work out. They've had a war on drugs before, but never an all out war on the drug cartels.

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StressedLP1 · 10/11/2024 22:50

Stopped clocks etc etc

Christinapple · 10/11/2024 22:55

lechiffre55 · 10/11/2024 22:18

Video 1 page 1 is war on the drug cartels.
Like full scale military war.
America suffers hugely from drug deaths, not sure how this is going to work out. They've had a war on drugs before, but never an all out war on the drug cartels.

Other countries have tried full-scale wars on illegal drug suppliers. All it does is result in overcrowded prisons and deaths while doing absolutely nothing to prevent people who want to get hold of these drugs doing so.

Scotland often tops the drug OD deaths per 100k in Europe, whilst countries like Portugal who have decriminalised all drugs are all at the bottom.

Criminalisation doesn't work.

theDudesmummy · 10/11/2024 22:59

Why does it stil say "assigned at birth"?

lechiffre55 · 10/11/2024 23:33

theDudesmummy · 10/11/2024 22:59

Why does it stil say "assigned at birth"?

I think the gender lobby has had some success in muddying the language.
e.g. Trump says there are only two genders male and female, as oppsed to only two sexes.
I don't think the obfusicating wordplay is going to matter where Trump is concerned.

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lechiffre55 · 10/11/2024 23:36

Christinapple · 10/11/2024 22:55

Other countries have tried full-scale wars on illegal drug suppliers. All it does is result in overcrowded prisons and deaths while doing absolutely nothing to prevent people who want to get hold of these drugs doing so.

Scotland often tops the drug OD deaths per 100k in Europe, whilst countries like Portugal who have decriminalised all drugs are all at the bottom.

Criminalisation doesn't work.

This is only my interpretation of what Trump said.
The previous "war on drugs" might be considered as using law enforcement to get tough on drug dealers in your own country.
To me the impression of what I think Trump is saying is we will use the military to bomb/kill/literal military war on the drug cartels wherever they are, e.g. even in Mexico.

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TempestTost · 11/11/2024 00:38

I don't find that Americans differentiate at all between gender and sex. They consider them synonyms.

MrsTerryPratchett · 11/11/2024 00:41

I agree with @Christinapple

Talk about a stopped clock and all that!

ApocalipstickNow · 11/11/2024 06:45

MrsTerryPratchett · 11/11/2024 00:41

I agree with @Christinapple

Talk about a stopped clock and all that!

Yup, I’m a big enough person to say I agree with Chris on this as well.

jeaux90 · 11/11/2024 07:57

It's a welcome statement but suspect the wealthy will use online or cross the border to Tranada for "treatment"

Chersfrozenface · 11/11/2024 08:03

jeaux90 · 11/11/2024 07:57

It's a welcome statement but suspect the wealthy will use online or cross the border to Tranada for "treatment"

Crossing the border into Tranada for "treatment" may not be quite such a doddle in future.

There is an election there in less than a year's time, and an average of polls currently puts the Conservatives on 41.8% and the Liberals on 23%.

illinivich · 11/11/2024 08:24

Portugal used to have a low rate of drug related deaths, but not anymore.

SpidersAreShitheads · 11/11/2024 08:36

The thing is though, Trump said a lot of things. Including the fact that he thought immigrants should be made to wrestle professional UFC fighters in the ring.

His mouth makes promises that his brain doesn’t register, and his heart doesn’t care about.

We might be lucky enough to have people around Trump that push the issue but don’t rely on what he said. He’s neither trustworthy or reliable.

I’m sure he does believe in biological sex. He certainly knows what a woman is when he wants to sexually assault one. But women’s rights and safety have never been a priority for Trump, and never will be. I see there’s already talk of him going after the judge that found him guilty - that’s what his focus is. Himself. As always.

I guess there is a hope that the issue might get pushed if Trump thinks it will increase his popularity. But he probably doesn’t think he needs that kind of lift right now as everyone seems to have voted for him. Depressingly.

LilyBartsHatShop · 11/11/2024 08:51

The US airforce has bombed South American cocaine plantations in the past. I think as part of Regan's War On Drugs in the 80s.
It does interest me that Trump in no way positons gender distressed young people as freaks, or makes any appeals to bringing back the days when boys were boys and girls were girls, or some such.
Maybe because it's a scripted speech to camera. But he's never been afraid of saying whatever insane thing occurs to him, like injecting bleach, or illegal immigrants eating your pets, or whatever.
This is so measured and straight down the line, a wish list of what I want to see for gender distressed children and young people in my own country.

lechiffre55 · 11/11/2024 08:55

@SpidersAreShitheads
Maybe give him a chance before you assume he's failed before he even enters office?
Look at it this way. You can either be positive and happy, or negative and depressed in the intervening time between now, when he becomes president again, and the time it takes him to put his many policies into effect.
How much success he has in implementing his policies will take time to assess, and it's up to you if you go around happy or depressed during this time.
My guess is he will have some success and some failure, we just have to wait to see where it falls.
What he has laid out seems pretty positive on this subject to me. Other subjects I am less keen on.

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lechiffre55 · 11/11/2024 08:57

LilyBartsHatShop · 11/11/2024 08:51

The US airforce has bombed South American cocaine plantations in the past. I think as part of Regan's War On Drugs in the 80s.
It does interest me that Trump in no way positons gender distressed young people as freaks, or makes any appeals to bringing back the days when boys were boys and girls were girls, or some such.
Maybe because it's a scripted speech to camera. But he's never been afraid of saying whatever insane thing occurs to him, like injecting bleach, or illegal immigrants eating your pets, or whatever.
This is so measured and straight down the line, a wish list of what I want to see for gender distressed children and young people in my own country.

Yes. Trump declaring the youth going through "so called gender affirming care" as the main victims of gender ideology makes me think that he or someone in his team really understands the problem.

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Mittens67 · 11/11/2024 09:01

It makes me so angry that men in frocks ( who started the trans issue) have affected the safety of the entire planet.
Of course I am very concerned about protecting women and children against this ideology but we are now looking at what is primarily male sexual fetish has brought us to a situation where voters are so angry ( understandably) that they vote on a single issue opening the path to a convicted sex pest, liar, misogynist who denies climate change and embraces putin.
The world will be irrevocably harmed basically because some blokes get an erection from wearing female clothes in public and misguided well meaning others have drank the kool aid in the name of diversity and inclusion without any critical thinking being applied.

SpidersAreShitheads · 11/11/2024 09:21

lechiffre55 · 11/11/2024 08:55

@SpidersAreShitheads
Maybe give him a chance before you assume he's failed before he even enters office?
Look at it this way. You can either be positive and happy, or negative and depressed in the intervening time between now, when he becomes president again, and the time it takes him to put his many policies into effect.
How much success he has in implementing his policies will take time to assess, and it's up to you if you go around happy or depressed during this time.
My guess is he will have some success and some failure, we just have to wait to see where it falls.
What he has laid out seems pretty positive on this subject to me. Other subjects I am less keen on.

Nope, sorry. He’s a vile excuse for a human and I judge him on his lengthy track record. He’s already had multiple chances and failed each time.

I really hope that the Republicans reverse the gender shite, and it may be that they will. But Trump was notorious for spending his days on the golf course and doing as little work as possible. So if anything does happen, the chances are it will be because people around him have pushed the issue. It would be great if that proves to be the case as children really do deserve to be properly protected from harmful ideology, and women deserve to be safe.

As for Trump himself, he’s proven repeatedly to be morally bankrupt. He is self-serving and self-interested and a thoroughly nasty piece of work. He has had multiple chances to prove himself and all he’s ever done is prove that he cares about himself.

I do feel utterly depressed that such a problematic and corrupt individual is in a position of power. Especially as he’s ensured that those around him will just acquiesce this time around. He’s already trying to take short cuts in the Senate to get his own way.

I’m normally quite resilient in defeat but not this time. I can’t find the words to express how horrified I am. I can’t believe that the Republican Party were willing to endorse a convicted sex criminal with more trials pending, just to win. He should have never been allowed to progress.

The Democrats are also to blame. Kamala always had a tough hill to climb to convert voters and the increasing light being shone on the stupidity of gender ideology meant that they were exposed for their idiotic policies.

It’s just a mess all round.

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 11/11/2024 09:26

It's not just this issue that lead to people voting Trump, it's the economy and the divide between rich and poor getting wider and a lot of Americans going from being ok to not feeling at all ok financially. Then seeing rich elites denigrate them and their concerns while spending millions of taxpayer money on vanity projects. Trans ideology is just the most obvious example of elite insanity and total denial of reality in an Orwellian anti-democratic way.

If Trump was not surrounded by clever people, he wouldn't have got his message out so effectively and he wouldn't have won. So there are definitely people with brains behind the scenes. Whether they're going to hurt or harm the world is yet to be seen. However the alternative were clever people who were totally ok with pushing forward with child sterilisation despite mounting evidence that what they were doing was wrong, who just doubled down when faced with e.g. the cass review . So they wouldn't obviously have been better.

lechiffre55 · 11/11/2024 09:27

@SpidersAreShitheads
I was referring specifically to the topic at hand.
Enjoying being depressed for at least four years if not more, even if Trump makes good progress on gender.

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Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 11/11/2024 09:32

I don't think Trump is a convicted sex criminal. He's convicted of accounting irregularities/ fraud.

Many women have accused him of sexual crimes, and I believe them, but he's never been convicted.

When provable lies are stated as truth and repeated then his supporters dismiss everything, including the true things, as lies. And they're not entirely unreasonable to do so, because the people lying have shown themselves to be liars. This is partly why we're here, along with the Dems being so unelectable.

SpidersAreShitheads · 11/11/2024 09:43

lechiffre55 · 11/11/2024 09:27

@SpidersAreShitheads
I was referring specifically to the topic at hand.
Enjoying being depressed for at least four years if not more, even if Trump makes good progress on gender.

As I said, I genuinely hope there are people that will push this issue through because that’s what we all want isn’t it?

It’s difficult to see it as a single issue though when Trump is so poor on pretty much all other areas relating to women’s rights. It’s a hollow victory.

I will keep an eye on the gender issue but other than that I’ll just stay away from US politics. I can’t do another 4 years - or more if Project 2025 comes to fruition.

If the gender woo is reversed and biological sex rights for women reinstated then at least something good will have come from something bad. Let’s hope.

SpidersAreShitheads · 11/11/2024 09:52

Dumbledoreslemonsherbets · 11/11/2024 09:32

I don't think Trump is a convicted sex criminal. He's convicted of accounting irregularities/ fraud.

Many women have accused him of sexual crimes, and I believe them, but he's never been convicted.

When provable lies are stated as truth and repeated then his supporters dismiss everything, including the true things, as lies. And they're not entirely unreasonable to do so, because the people lying have shown themselves to be liars. This is partly why we're here, along with the Dems being so unelectable.

To be entirely accurate, he was convicted of sexual assault but it was a civil trial by jury, not a criminal trial.

So I guess it depends how you define “convicted”. I’m happy to describe any man found guilty by any type of jury as a convicted sex pest albeit not technically a “criminal”. So I will correct myself there.

I do think it’s playing with semantics though. Found guilty of sex crimes and lying in court - regardless of the type of court - just reinforces everything that we already know about Donald “grab them by the pussy” Trump. He’s still guilty of sexual assault.

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