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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The BBC empathise with women.

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Ineedhelphere · 02/11/2024 08:15

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0qd1730z78o
Oh, the lack joined up thinking that comes with this article from the BBC.
Every woman knows exactly how this woman feels. Every woman has been through the same experiences.
But if the man happens to wear a dress and lipstick then the same women are bigots 🤷.

Alice, smiling and wearing a warm green jacket alongside her father Nick Robinson, who is wearing glasses and a flat cap hat and dark jacket

Saoirse Ronan: Nick Robinson's daughter talks safety with her dad

BBC host Nick Robinson interviewed his daughter about actress Saoirse Ronan's comment that women think about safety all the time.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0qd1730z78o

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NPET · 02/11/2024 17:08

NPET · 02/11/2024 13:15

I'm 20 and considered "conventionally pretty".
I AM NOT SUGGESTING THIS ONLY HAPPENS TO "GIRLS" LIKE ME, BUT personally EVERY second of every minute of every hour that I'm not in my own flat, I am aware that men are boys are sneaking looks at me in the vain attempt that I'll look back, and - sorry - but in the hope that, ultimately, they can put their sausage into my roll.
That's the reality!

I meant "men AND boys" of course (tho most men ARE boys too).

IProbablyAm2024 · 02/11/2024 17:08

Snowypeaks · 02/11/2024 16:13

Fantastic post, nails it.

Do not feel bad about what you said. Not for one second. Kim sounds like Kim is cosplaying for validation.

I think you should copy and paste this and send it to the Guardian as a complaint/response.

MagpiePi · 02/11/2024 17:16

Kim is not feeling vulnerable because Kim a woman. Kim is just imagining what a woman might feel.

And I expect that Kim thinking Kim passes as a woman is just Kim going through life without every person Kim comes across pointing out that they know Kim is a man dressed as a woman.

theilltemperedqueenofspacetime · 02/11/2024 17:41

IProbablyAm2024 · 02/11/2024 17:08

I think you should copy and paste this and send it to the Guardian as a complaint/response.

This. Paragraph 5 alone would make a perfect letter to the letters page. @Catiette

duc748 · 02/11/2024 18:59

Eloquent post that completely nails it, @Catiette . It's a shame next to no-one at the Guardian seems capable of such clear thinking.

Catiette · 02/11/2024 19:25

I’m glad people think it gets to the heart of it. It did upset me this morning, and I wanted to work out why in a way that would address any unthinking Be kind! defence (or attack!) On the surface, it may seem very reasonable to many readers, and my own feelings quite churlish. But not in the current context - a context the Guardian systematically obscures and denies to prevent and demonise precisely this kind of critical engagement with the issue.

The difference in biology - strength & reproductive role - lies at the very heart of the issue; for us, it is the issue. It shapes and limits our decisions and movements; colours our thoughts and feelings every day; every hour, even. And it’s the one thing that men can never fully understand because of their own, different physical reality - they can only ever imagine and empathise, at the very most. But they don’t, on balance. The bear in the woods went viral, this went viral, in part because women are desperate - desperate - for a way to bring this home in terms men can understand. So here was another chance… exquisitely skewered in the most damagingly effective way by the very newspaper that claims to support us.

How better to undermine another effort to communicate this fundamental truth and legitimise its denial than reframing our daily fear to include a male-bodied person? It’s perfect. And it’s devastating.

And it reenacts exactly what the clip is fighting to expose.

OuterSpaceCadet · 02/11/2024 20:59

Everything you already said so eloquently catiette.

Plus the logical inference that if Kim can identify into our oppression, we can surely identify out.

As someone who was attacked as a teenager when wearing no makeup and a boys tracksuit FUCK OFF GUARDIAN.

Catiette · 02/11/2024 21:04

And exactly what you say, too. I'm really sorry for what happened to you.

PriOn1 · 02/11/2024 21:07

PreFabBroadBean · 02/11/2024 15:39

I'm bemused by the comments from Kim, who is the same age as me. When I was younger, I was continually pestered by men, even though I was a jeans and jumper kind of person. Now I'm in my 60s, I thankfully walk around with impunity.

This was exactly my thought. I’m not quite 60 and I do still feel vulnerable at night, due to the fact that I know even older women are sometimes targeted.

However a man who started wearing women’s clothes and passing as a sixty year old woman is unlikely to notice any change. He’s not about to experience sudden unwanted male attention and unless he has some weird fascination with women’s vulnerability, he’s not going to have any reason to feel any more at risk. Most normal men are broadly oblivious to what women experience.

A much more likely reason for him to get unwanted or negative attention is because men see him as a transvestite or cross dresser.

Heylo · 03/11/2024 21:14

Theeyeballsinthesky · 02/11/2024 08:58

don’t worry the guardian are on it. They asked 5 women and a man who totally definitely is always mistaken for a woman 🙄www.theguardian.com/society/2024/nov/02/will-anything-change-six-women-react-saoirse-ronans-viral-comment

‘I’m always taken for a woman’ - I bet you’re not mate 😂

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