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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Toxic Environment for Female Athletes - ‘College Volleyball’s Spartan Meltdown’

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UtopiaPlanitia · 01/11/2024 17:43

I can’t recommend this excellent well-researched article enough - this journalist really did a great job at understanding all the issues that the female players and the assistant coach of this team are experiencing:

https://quillette.com/2024/11/01/college-volleyballs-spartan-meltdown/

‘In a scathing Title IX Complaint obtained by Quillette, a San José State University women’s volleyball coach explains how her school’s aggressively enforced transgender-inclusion policy created a toxic environment for female athletes.’

College Volleyball’s Spartan Meltdown

In a scathing Title IX Complaint obtained by Quillette, a San José State University women’s volleyball coach explains how her school’s aggressively enforced transgender-inclusion policy created a toxic environment for female athletes.

https://quillette.com/2024/11/01/college-volleyballs-spartan-meltdown

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duc748 · 03/11/2024 12:07

Surely she'll be taking legal advice. That doesn't sound like it'd pass the First Amendment.

duc748 · 03/11/2024 12:10

IANAL, but Gary doesn't sound like a 'proper' lawyer to me!

Not2identifying · 03/11/2024 12:12

This is just terrible. Suspended for her honesty, integrity and good judgement.

Nothingeverything · 03/11/2024 14:33

All I can think is that Gary Brickwood is a misogynist and an ideologue if he compares having a male play on the team as having a person who might be on performance enhancing drugs on a team. Way to dismiss the science Gary Brickwood.
They are similar in that they are both clearly unfair. But what he's actually comparing is calling someone out for drug taking without evidence and calling someone out for being male when the evidence is obvious. The trouble lies in the fact that we're always supposed to pretend that a male who identifies as female has no inherent advantage. People are getting justifiably fed up of being told they have to believe this bollocks.

UtopiaPlanitia · 03/11/2024 14:49

Helleofabore · 03/11/2024 12:07

Here is more. I apologise if people cannot access it, I will try later to copy and paste the legal advisor’s words.

https://x.com/irenebritusa/status/1852826667565404578?s=46

All I can think is that Gary Brickwood is a misogynist and an ideologue if he compares having a male play on the team as having a person who might be on performance enhancing drugs on a team. Way to dismiss the science Gary Brickwood.

I think Brickwood is mentioned in the Quillette article as not practicing law currently (or at least not listed on a relevant body’s list of practicing lawyers) so why the opinion of someone like that was sought is beyond me. Maybe he is a friend of a friend? But at any rate, his opinion was sought, but is this his legal area of expertise? Or was he asked to give an opinion that was favourable to what the head coach wanted to achieve? I.e. silence the protest from female team members.

Lawyers have specialised areas of work and if he’s not a lawyer who specialises in commercial sports law, education law or human rights law I’m not sure he’s an appropriate legal counsel to give advice on this issue. And if he is working in a relevant area of specialisation then his advice is sexist and not based in science.

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Helleofabore · 14/11/2024 03:45

A new development

https://www.outkick.com/sports/volleyball-players-sue-mountain-west-first-amendment-outkick-exclusive

Volleyball Players Sue Mountain West Alleging First Amendment, Title IX Violations Tied To Transgender Player

November 13, 2024

A dozen women have filed a lawsuit against the Mountain West Conference and its commissioner, along with officials at San Jose State University. They allege violations of Title IX and of their First Amendment rights, all stemming from the presence of transgender player Fleming on the San Jose State roster, OutKick has learned.
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The plaintiffs, which include San Jose State co-captain Brooke Slusser and two former Spartans, as well as athletes from four other Mountain West schools, allege the conference adopted a new "Transgender Participation Policy" in an attempt to "chill and suppress the free speech rights of women athletes."

Volleyball Players Sue Mountain West Alleging First Amendment, Title IX Violations Tied To Transgender Player

In a lawsuit filed Wednesday, several women's volleyball players are suing the Mountain West Conference for violating their First Amendment rights.

https://www.outkick.com/sports/volleyball-players-sue-mountain-west-first-amendment-outkick-exclusive

Glamourreader · 14/11/2024 04:11

Excellent, crossing my fingers for them

kiterunning · 14/11/2024 06:46

Good news.
This player is not only replacing a woman on the team and endangering opposition female players but also is in receipt of a full athletic scholarship.Angry

PriOn1 · 14/11/2024 06:54

I hope justice will prevail for these women.

UtopiaPlanitia · 14/11/2024 18:49

I came across this good news too regarding the case of the female Connecticut high school athletes who lost scholarships and medals to two male runners.

It's so great to see that the American girls and women who are standing up for themselves are finally starting to get somewhere in the courts:

https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/judge-greenlights-save-womens-sports-title-ix-lawsuit-forfeits-mount-against

Connecticut track athletes Selina Soule and Alanna Smith | Alliance Defending Freedom

Judge greenlights 'Save Women's Sports' Title IX suit amid more forfeits over alleged trans player

Connecticut high school conference plausibly conveyed "the dispiriting message that [females'] interests and aspirations as student athletes were less worthy of protection than those of their male counterparts on the boys’ team."

https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/judge-greenlights-save-womens-sports-title-ix-lawsuit-forfeits-mount-against

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RedToothBrush · 14/11/2024 21:18

Why can't there be a number of scholarships available just for trans people.

Not sport related. Not female related. Why can't trans people compete for this in a fair way based on the population?

Hmm.

duc748 · 14/11/2024 23:59

It's not like there's not plenty of money behind them! 😛

FrippEnos · 15/11/2024 15:54

RedToothBrush · 14/11/2024 21:18

Why can't there be a number of scholarships available just for trans people.

Not sport related. Not female related. Why can't trans people compete for this in a fair way based on the population?

Hmm.

Because they would have to find someone to fund it or fund it themselves.

Its much easier for them to go and steal what is already in place for others.

lcakethereforeIam · 15/11/2024 16:07

Can you imagine the uproar if a 'trans' scholarship was awarded to someone who wasn't trans enough. Virtually everyone fits under the trans umbrella. There are wealthy, very wealthy, trans people who could easily finance a scholarship or two. But why would they do that when spending the same money elsewhere will buy the influence to make entire government departments, whole universities, all the schools, States, courts, police forces, newspapers, TV channels trans compliant?

Not to mention the twaw lot would never accept a third space.

RedToothBrush · 15/11/2024 16:14

lcakethereforeIam · 15/11/2024 16:07

Can you imagine the uproar if a 'trans' scholarship was awarded to someone who wasn't trans enough. Virtually everyone fits under the trans umbrella. There are wealthy, very wealthy, trans people who could easily finance a scholarship or two. But why would they do that when spending the same money elsewhere will buy the influence to make entire government departments, whole universities, all the schools, States, courts, police forces, newspapers, TV channels trans compliant?

Not to mention the twaw lot would never accept a third space.

You mean like:

Too many trans scholarships are going to transmen who are already have male privilege unlike transwomen who are the least privileged in the entire world ever. TM.

FrippEnos · 15/11/2024 16:26

lcakethereforeIam · 15/11/2024 16:07

Can you imagine the uproar if a 'trans' scholarship was awarded to someone who wasn't trans enough. Virtually everyone fits under the trans umbrella. There are wealthy, very wealthy, trans people who could easily finance a scholarship or two. But why would they do that when spending the same money elsewhere will buy the influence to make entire government departments, whole universities, all the schools, States, courts, police forces, newspapers, TV channels trans compliant?

Not to mention the twaw lot would never accept a third space.

There have been quite a few scholarships lost to young women as trans women have taken them.

lcakethereforeIam · 15/11/2024 16:59

Yes. Perhaps a good thing from Trump's victory (there has to be something) is that this will stop. Maybe there will be trans scholarships in future. I can't see it working though. Be interesting to see them try.

Runor · 16/11/2024 07:25

Hmm, but trans sports scholarships would need trans sport surely? And (as we know from the Boston marathon) that needs to be split between those with biologically female bodies and those who are biologically male…. Oh, and then there’s the issue of men who don’t quite make the grade for men’s scholarships suddenly finding their feminine side, which would be so totally unfair…..

Yep, much better to just take advantage of the current rules, so that men can take women’s stuff rather than men fighting between themselves 🙄

Retiredfromthere · 16/11/2024 08:15

UtopiaPlanitia · 14/11/2024 18:49

I came across this good news too regarding the case of the female Connecticut high school athletes who lost scholarships and medals to two male runners.

It's so great to see that the American girls and women who are standing up for themselves are finally starting to get somewhere in the courts:

https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/judge-greenlights-save-womens-sports-title-ix-lawsuit-forfeits-mount-against

Very interesting and heartening to see judges being corrected and changing their language. Tired are turning? Quoted text from article. My bold.

'The full appeals court disagreed with Chatigny's original finding that the case was moot after transgender champions Andraya Yearwood and Terry Miller graduated and that failure to correct "past athletic records," to remove male winners in girls' sports, was not a legal injury.

It said the girls "adequately pled a concrete, particularized, and actual injury in fact … denial of equal athletic opportunity and concomitant loss of publicly recognized titles and placements" – the plaintiffs want dozens of records corrected – by finishing behind Yearwood and Miller.

It's an embarrassing reversal for Chatigny, whose removal the girls unsuccessfully sought for "unfair bias" when they appealed his ruling. They cited his order to stop "bullying" Yearwood and Miller by calling them "male" and for allegedly making up his own science on biological sex.

Unlike in 2021, Chatigny's ruling last week is replete with references to biological sex. He even twice used the phrase "biological males," which three years earlier he had deemed "needlessly provocative" when applied to Yearwood and Miller.'

UtopiaPlanitia · 16/11/2024 12:44

Yes, @Retiredfromthere I thought that was quite the change in language and attitude. I wonder if it’s because he was overruled and took it seriously or if it’s the wider societal awareness that men are stealing women’s sporting places and achievements? AKA the Lia Thomas Effect.

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kiterunning · 16/11/2024 20:27

Good news every day now.
The tide is surging.

kiterunning · 17/11/2024 07:41

Turning!

fromorbit · 28/11/2024 13:51

This is getting even bigger a judge decided women's don't deserve to have sports.

Judge rejects effort to stop women's volleyball from being banned
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgxjmnnxwno

Meanwhile women keep fighting back and forfeited another match.
Boise State Forfeits Against SJSU, Transgender Blaire Fleming In Stunning Show Of Protest
https://www.outkick.com/sports/boise-state-forfeit-sjsu-blaire-fleming-mountain-west-tournament

This is going to national championships it seems.

Boise State Forfeits Against SJSU, Transgender Blaire Fleming In Stunning Show Of Protest

The Boise State Broncos announced that they will forfeit their Mountain West volleyball conference tournament semifinal match against San Jose State and transgender player Blaire Fleming.

https://www.outkick.com/sports/boise-state-forfeit-sjsu-blaire-fleming-mountain-west-tournament

UtopiaPlanitia · 28/11/2024 21:29

The women/girls on those teams impress me so much, they are sacrificing so much to ensure fair competition for those coming along behind them.

That judge was never going to consider their case fairly if he was already conceding to genderism by refusing to use accurate descriptions of the player who is causing the concerns.

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