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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Toxic Environment for Female Athletes - ‘College Volleyball’s Spartan Meltdown’

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UtopiaPlanitia · 01/11/2024 17:43

I can’t recommend this excellent well-researched article enough - this journalist really did a great job at understanding all the issues that the female players and the assistant coach of this team are experiencing:

https://quillette.com/2024/11/01/college-volleyballs-spartan-meltdown/

‘In a scathing Title IX Complaint obtained by Quillette, a San José State University women’s volleyball coach explains how her school’s aggressively enforced transgender-inclusion policy created a toxic environment for female athletes.’

College Volleyball’s Spartan Meltdown

In a scathing Title IX Complaint obtained by Quillette, a San José State University women’s volleyball coach explains how her school’s aggressively enforced transgender-inclusion policy created a toxic environment for female athletes.

https://quillette.com/2024/11/01/college-volleyballs-spartan-meltdown

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Cailin66 · 30/11/2024 05:09

The NY Times didn’t call men “non transgender men” in the very same sentence.

andIsaid · 30/11/2024 10:27

The NYT article also called the female players "assigned female at birth,"

UtopiaPlanitia · 30/11/2024 19:37

Excellent article discussing the current situation with Fleming in the larger context of what it means for women's sports if athletes like Fleming continue to claim privacy as a reason for their sex not to be known. For those who want a summary, here are a few important paragraphs:

https://www.thefemalecategory.com/p/the-evolution-of-male-inclusion-in

“Will (Lia) Thomas was first gen. He “transitioned” very publicly, striding around the women’s locker room, maleness swinging, after three years on U Penn’s men’s team. That Thomas was so obviously male made it extremely difficult for the NCAA and U Penn to appear sane, much less fair, and it chummed the waters for a media feeding frenzy

That was a first gen strategy error. The next Lia Thomas, we agreed, would be much more stealth, transitioning very early, well out of the public eye, birth certificate changed, documents in order, going the whole nine yards with surgery and hormones, and passing quite well. For the next Lia Thomas, “transition” would be so far in the rear view mirror by the time college came as to be virtually invisible, so seamless that coaches and school administrators might not know they were recruiting a male athlete for their female team. Teammates, fans—no one would know. And if done right, who would question someone who appeared female and had been playing female sports since, well, before anyone was paying attention? All the unpleasantness of Thomas’s very public “transition” would be avoided. No (public) trans, no foul.

Enter Brayden (Blaire) Fleming.

Fleming might have pulled it off were it not for the irresistible desire to flaunt his breaching of women’s boundaries, like the women’s bathroom selfies that proliferate on trans-identified males’ social media.

There is evidence that Fleming’s path is seen as the way of the future for trans-identified males. Recall my previous post about Nike and Wu Tsai Human Performance Alliance funding a study of the sports performance of kids as young as 12 who are on puberty blockers. “That’s the million dollar question. I think if we start kids at a younger age with treatment, we don’t know how much of an effect that’s going to have on performance,” said lead investigator Kate Ackerman. For Ackerman and co-investigator Joanna Harper, the holy grail is to “start kids at a younger age,” to try to bypass male puberty and its attendant massive jump in male performance advantage, to help erase male appearance, to make a male into a more perfect facsimile of a female, or at least a male no one would have the temerity to question.

Jon Pike, Professor of Philosophy at The Open University in the UK, studies the ethics of sport. “This idea of getting kids young enough, I was naive enough to think no one would go down that road,” Pike said. “It’s impossible for a 10- or 12-year-old to give informed consent to puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones. It’s barbaric, experimenting on children. Regardless of fairness in sport, which it does not achieve because of the mini puberty that happens in utero, it’s an appalling way to treat children.”…By participating in competitive sport, they are implicitly saying I will play by the rules. Fleming proceeded on the basis of false information that affects the fairness of sports. He’s playing as if he had a female history, when in fact, he has a male history. The coaches who recruited Fleming also acted wrongly, unethically, exploiting male advantage.”

ICONS co-founder Kim Jones responded: “Yes, women absolutely need to know if they are competing with or against a male player. There should be no right to obscure sex in any situation where sex is relevant, and that includes women's sports and women's spaces. There should be no right of a man to hide his sex from women, but especially not in situations involving consent or where women could be unknowingly taken advantage of on the basis of sex. This includes all situations where men could obtain physical access to vulnerable women, success and accolades due to women, or power over women by hiding their sex.

In all of those thoughts on ethics, personal responsibility, truth, honesty, and the word should are doing a lot of heavy lifting. Women should be respected as distinct but equally deserving humans.

More than anything, I find male inclusion by deception depressing, because it demonstrates that a significant portion of our society cannot manage to do that. Activists crowing that trans-identified males have been in women’s sports and spaces forever and we didn’t know it is neither the character endorsement, nor the compelling argument for inclusion they think it is. That there are men running in the women’s category of my local half-marathon without my knowledge does not excuse the lack of consent, the breaking of boundaries. Ten minutes ago, girls’ and women’s sports, women’s classes, women’s bathrooms all operated on the honor system, the key word being honor. Of course, any man could enter those spaces, and some did, but there was stigma attached to it. It was not honorable.

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UtopiaPlanitia · 12/12/2024 12:52

Tweet today that is of interest to this thread:

https://x.com/bourne_beth2345/status/1866883352361664709

HUGE NEWS. The house of cards is crashing down. Washington state's
wiaawa just announced two new policies that would require high school boys-pretending-to-be-girls ("transgender" athletes) to compete in a proposed new "transgender students" division. Girls' sports, like volleyball, soccer, basketball and wrestling would be limited to girls. This will have a huge rippling effect on California and CIFState as our state's policies for "gender inclusivity" in high school sports are modeled on the WIAA regs.

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Snowypeaks · 12/12/2024 12:57

UtopiaPlanitia · 12/12/2024 12:52

Tweet today that is of interest to this thread:

https://x.com/bourne_beth2345/status/1866883352361664709

HUGE NEWS. The house of cards is crashing down. Washington state's
wiaawa just announced two new policies that would require high school boys-pretending-to-be-girls ("transgender" athletes) to compete in a proposed new "transgender students" division. Girls' sports, like volleyball, soccer, basketball and wrestling would be limited to girls. This will have a huge rippling effect on California and CIFState as our state's policies for "gender inclusivity" in high school sports are modeled on the WIAA regs.

Good. I mean, obviously it's still stupid to make a category defined by a factor which is irrelevant to athletic ability, but at least it will keep them out of girls' sport.
And it will be itneresting to see how many of the male athletes compete in the new transgender division. My betting is the same number as went for Fina's open divisions in swimming.

duc748 · 12/12/2024 13:07

It's a vile, malign, movement, and you can't meet it half-way. It's disgusting to think girls are being treated this way. How many pig-headed, unthinking people does it take, to administrate this current mess, run the leagues, coach the players? To think it's OK that males can be told, in effect, compete in whatever category you like? Does nobody give pause for thought?

Runor · 12/12/2024 13:48

Well they’ll set up transgender sports & trans athletes will either play or not. I think this is ideal as the women’s sport gets to be, as it should, just for women.

If trans sports are successful, it will be interesting to see how many women (transmen) are actually able to play there, or if it will be just a secondary opportunity for men. It will also be interesting to see how this works out financially - for instance impacts on college investment, sponsorship and scholarships….

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