Joe Rogan interview with JD Vance

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https://x.com/BlanchardPhD/status/1852088413182218355

It’s a very short clip and I haven’t listened to the interview yet but Joe Rogan mentions Malaga Airport. JR has a big listenership and both Trump and Vance have now appeared on the podcast.

The whole thing is on Spotify and Vance - and Rogan - are well read up on Malaga and transing children. Expect it to be suppressed/mischaracterised.

I'm not in the US but that wouldn't be enough for me to hold my nose and vote Trump.

The republicans do seem to be hammering this wedge in hard. One of the difficulties in the US is that GC is genuinely more of a right-wing stance whereas Harris and her ilk are still firmly in Be Kind TWAW territory.

I think the tanker is well on the turn in the UK, it may even be a smidge past 90 degrees, while in the US it's still full steam ahead, plus it's also a much bigger tanker.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/10/30/trans-issue-losing-kamala-election-republicans-say/
You should be able to bypass the paywall by pasting the link into archive.ph

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/oct/18/donald-trump/harris-support-for-prisoner-access-to-transgender/

Disclaimer: I have no idea of the political affiliations of politifact/Poynter re the link above.

https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/transgender-voters-2024-election-kamala-harris-donald-trump-rcna177307

If anyone has time stamps, would be grateful if they could be posted here. I will try to listen as much as I can today and will post timings when I do.

The more people who hear & understand AGP, the better.

Its weird that its the prison surgery angle they are going for. Maybe because its a tax dollars being spent issue which makes sense. But it isn't really mine or (all UK) other GC people's I know biggest objection to the whole trans thing. Some could even argue back that if sexually aggressive prisoners want to castrate themselves that's a good thing.

Try around the 35(?) minute mark for Malaga and what's happening to children.

It's inevitable. Allow a culture where men can enter womans spaces, and everyone will notice that the men in womens spaces are nothing like women. Its not a leap to see that there is a sexual element to all men entering womens spaces.

To stop people talking, TRA tried to stop the use of words to describe these men. Thats not working, so we are allowed the word and pretend its only some men, or its a sexual orientation.

Everyone will see that its all men who want to enter womens spaces in time. Its just taking a long time to get there.

I'm also pretty sure (read it somewhere and can't remember where now) that this was the law during the Trump administration so it's ridiculous to suggest that it'll be a Harris initiative when they were also happy to fund/oversee it.

Fuck these guys. If they said it was noon you'd check your watch.

I hope nobody is stupid and narrow-minded enough to vote for them just because they've been politically astute enough to lean on this as a wedge issue.

Try around the 35(?) minute mark for Malaga and what's happening to children.

That's great, thank you. I'm listening to it now at a variety of different speeds due to doing other stuff so I can't really give time stamps and so for they've covered the quasi religious nature of the ideology, and about children. They're talking about sports at the moment. Joe mentioned the pool tournament here.

Not true. The original trans-surgery in federal prisons law was written under Obama. It was fought in the courts under Trump, who managed to delay it under his tenure, although some inmates did receive hormones under his tenure while the case was being fought. The first federal prisoner trans surgery was not done until 2022 under Biden.

My source is the NY Times.

@MillyMichaelson I said it elsewhere. But people with genuine concerns about immigration, about decline in their home town etc will hear Vance say "they are eating the cats" and hear it as him expressing the same (nuanced, often very reasonable things) that they believe. Meanwhile people who aren't in that headspace, will literally hear what he actually said and what is worse assume that anyone who then expresses agreement with Vance/tries to talk about the issue he raises in more detail, agrees with what he said. It creates much deeper divides and makes it impossible to fix the problems. And I think the same will happen with this. People who are worried about the issuing of puberty blockers to children, men in women's prisons etc will hear him and think "well at least he is talking about the issue. Even if he isn't expressing it right. He must mean...". And people who aren't on board will just assume that the "TERFs" are just angry and misinformed. Vance is really clever so I can only assume its deliberate. And its not the same as someone expressing themselves more forcefully than I would, or having much stronger opinions on pronouns etc.

Fair enough @LifeExperience I'm sure I heard it on a podcast but I listen to so many I've no idea which one now!

The rest of my point still stands I believe 😁

@MillyMichaelson I said it elsewhere. But people with genuine concerns about immigration, about decline in their home town etc will hear Vance say "they are eating the cats" and hear it as him expressing the same (nuanced, often very reasonable things) that they believe. Meanwhile people who aren't in that headspace, will literally hear what he actually said and what is worse assume that anyone who then expresses agreement with Vance/tries to talk about the issue he raises in more detail, agrees with what he said. It creates much deeper divides and makes it impossible to fix the problems. And I think the same will happen with this. People who are worried about the issuing of puberty blockers to children, men in women's prisons etc will hear him and think "well at least he is talking about the issue. Even if he isn't expressing it right. He must mean...". And people who aren't on board will just assume that the "TERFs" are just angry and misinformed. Vance is really clever so I can only assume its deliberate. And it's not the same as someone expressing themselves more forcefully than I would, or having much stronger opinions on pronouns etc.

The problem is that the politicians and media on left have abandoned people with perfectly normal, reasonable views about these topics. Of course the right will capitalise on it. What do you expect?

Biden destroyed women's rights on day one. Harris put men in women's prisons and she is proud of it. Apparently unfussed about women being raped. Some states (like CA) are taking children away from their parents if their parents correctly refuse to "affirm" them in their "gender" and avoid causing lasting damage.

The Dems need to own what they have done here. This is all on the record and to their shame.

Does anyone know who the trans person was who leaked Vance's DMs with them to the New York Times after he criticised child transitioning? He mentioned this on the podcast. I'm presuming a male person as he used female pronouns and he was friends in some way with this person.

Politicians capitalising on things can be really good though! Regardless of their motives, if they are reacting to people's concerns by addressing those concerns it is good. That is how democracy is meant to work. But some of the current tactics seem to be to try to wind up/deliberately confuse the other side while appeasing their base. And then when the opposing side is angry or mocking of what they say, to say "see what they think about you" to the base. It isn't aiming at solving the problem, because ironically if they solved the problem that would give them less ammunition in the future. It is very different to how the UK conservative party went about things. Even Tory politicians I really don't like didn't seem to use the same tactics. I think a lot of women in the UK did a lot of work to raise politicians conciousness of the clash between women's and trans rights. But even though the Tories are much more on board than Labour, it was possible to shift Labour's position too even if it meant dragging some politicians kicking and screaming to reality. I don't think its going to be as possible to do that in the US and I don't think people like Vance want it.

But, why is the advert about giving trans prisoner's surgery, not any of those issues?

Yes I do agree there are important differences between politics in the US and in the U.K.

The difference between 'fucked up' and 'fucked up more than you could ever imagine'?

One way of putting it, I suppose!

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Because they are being ultra careful
not to denounce the trans people themselves. They want the focus to be on the institutional change.

I think!

Sorry what advert? Just one of the Rep campaign ones? Not an advert for the podcast?

Would imagine the idea of free health/surgery for prisoners is more emotive there than here due to their healthcare system. It’s so different to ours, I’m not sure I could grasp what it evokes in voters.

If it’s the one I’m thinking of then it is incontrovertible evidence of her involvement. Might be why it was used? You cannot deny your part in it etc, and then it opens up all these other areas? Just a guess. Have seen child surgeries coming up in a few clips of the Rep rallies as well.

Would imagine the idea of free health/surgery for prisoners is more emotive there than here due to their healthcare system.

Yes, exactly.

Thanks for posting the link OP.

I’m watching it now, this is an interesting conversation that is much more informed that I anticipated - these men have done some research on this issue.

I think the friend is a non-binary female - Sofia Nelson. They describe themselves as trans but still use their female name and I saw they/them used in one article. She has had a mastectomy but lots of non-binary women do.