Interesting move from odessa texas

[Hoardasurass]

So a city in texas has passed a law that bans people from using the wrong facilities for their sex with a $500 fine for breaking it and private persons can sue the person for $10000.
I wonder if it'll work

https://x.com/babybeginner/status/1850811128626241695

I understand that you can't change the sex on your birth certificate in Texas and you can longer change the "gender marker" on other official ID. This should mean that proving the case that a man was using a women's restroom would be fairly easy (at least for those who have Texan ID)

Well that’s not a step in the right direction

It sounds unworkable, doesn't it? Proving they were the wrong sex, both biologically and legally, calling the cops, getting the correct info from the 'trans-gressor' [see what I did there?😉], administering the fine; or all that and then suing them...

Not to mention the literal martyrs who will keep using the women's toilets just to make a point and get lots of publicity.🙄

It's signalling something I agree with - keeping men out of women's spaces - but unfortunately I can't see this working.

I also struggle to see whether this will work practically, but if there’s one place it might, it’s probably Texas. Americans are generally quicker to intervene in things I think than the British, and I expect that outside of the ‘woke’ areas (e.g Austin I’m guessing?) there is probably already relatively short shrift for people using the opposite sex’s toilets, so I can see a situation where certain ‘good guy’ types feel the law gives them the standing to enforce this. I’m not sure that’s a good thing in a state so free with guns.

In what way?
Whilst I'm not sure how enforceable it'll be I think that its a huge step in the right direction

So, there’s a population of people who love guns, and this will let them take the law into their own hands?

I think there should be limits to self declaration, but this is crazy. Fining people? How long before someone gets shot over this?

I don't see how your getting from men must use men facilities and women must use the women's facilities leads to letting people shot others @Pinkissmart. Are you honestly saying that you think people will start murdering trans people for breaking the law instead of reporting them. Also surely men won't keep using the women's now it's illegal

It's an overton window shift that's for sure.

If blokes can't use the ladies loo in the state there's no hope of them participating in women's sport.

I agree it's quite a stretch to go from fining people for going into the wrong facilities to shooting them. The law isn't making it legal to shoot anyone for using them.
Surely if they are that keen on carrying guns then that means that those men trying to use women's toilets could well also be carrying guns, which seems like even more reason to try to keep them out to me...

I didn’t say they would be lining up to shoot anyone(!!). But it feels like this will give people another reason to take the law into their own hands in other ways. Texas doesn’t strike me as a place where nuance flourishes.

So, a mother taking her disabled son into the loo?
A father taking her daughter into the men’s? Or the ladies?
What about people who are transitioning and are living successfully as the other gender?

I’m shocked that people feel something like this is helpful. It doesn’t solve problems, it creates them .

What about people who are transitioning and are living successfully as the other gender?

They haven't changed sex though!
How exactly do you live 'successfully as the other gender'

Blimey, does that mean Texas shouldn't have any laws, in case gun holders take the law into their own hands?

It makes sense to me, although obviously the test would be in it's implementation.

Disabled son should use the disabled toilet. Woman's toilet is not for men no matter how able/disabled they are!

If a father needs to take his dd to the toilet they use the men's. Once old enough to go independently she uses the ladies alone.

It doesn't matter what stage you are in a transition a male born person should NEVER be in the woman's toilet

Come on , there are genuine trans people. How are laws getting members of the public to turn on each other helpful.
A man wearing a kurta( I think that’s what they are called) - would they be fined? A woman wearing a ball cap and boots- would she be fined? If a man is a bit effeminate looking, would someone try and fine them?
What about masculine looking women?

Stupid, stupid idea

What is a genuine trans person @Pinkissmart?

A man is still a man however genuinely he believes that he's a woman.

1, what is a genuine trans person
2, it's not about gender or gender presentation it's about their biological sex
3, it's not people being turned against each other by the law it's men stealing women's rights and spaces that's causing this
4, no man should ever be in women's spaces they are not now nor ever can be anything other than the men they are.

Quite frankly your attempts to frame this as a bad thing is ridiculously disingenuous try harder

I don't know much about law enforcement in Texas, but I imagine even there there is some process whereby someone is proven guilty before they get fined, rather than some members of the public thinks you look a bit effeminate/butch.

I’m sure there will be some legal process so if they are they are using the facility for their sex it will be provable and they won’t be fined - it’s basically how laws work.

@Pinkissmart how do we know the genuine trans from the pretend ones?

The men can use the mens however they dress and ditto for the women.

‘How exactly do you live 'successfully as the other gender'

by banging on and on and on about it until everyone is bored into pretending to agree.

Ok, since the first few words of my post distracted….

How are laws getting members of the public to turn on each other helpful?

A man wearing a kurta? would they be fined?

A woman wearing a ball cap and boots- would she be fined?

If a man is a bit effeminate looking, would someone try and fine them?

What about masculine looking women?

Or a teenage boy wearing nail varnish? Or experimenting with hair colour?

What about a teenage girl who is happy being a girl, but prefers to wear ‘boys’ clothes?

This law will just give people a reason to discriminate against anyone who doesn’t look like them.

Criminalising wrong-sex toilet use is hostile gimmickry and certainly not something that I would like to see in the UK. It is unworkable and doesn't even address the actual problem, as opposed to the imagined problem.
The actual problem, in the UK at least, is that service providers (such as shop owners, gym management, etc), are no longer confident that it is legal for them to provide single-sex facilities, or to enforce single-sex facilities by means of the usual methods (asking someone to leave, terminating their membership etc).

The issue has never been one of actively policing the admission of people into facilities which, (as TRAs are keen to point out ) would be oppressive and unworkable. It is simply about clarifying the responsibility and the leeway that facility providers have to keep on doing what they have always done.

As I recall, Liz Truss's private members bill went down the criminalisation route, and that was one of the ways in which it was pure grandstanding, aimed at fanning flames and virtue signalling rather than at protecting women.

A man wearing a kurta? would they be fined?

If he's in the ladies'? Yes.

A woman wearing a ball cap and boots- would she be fined?

If she's in the men's? Yes. (But why would she go in there anyway? )

If a man is a bit effeminate looking, would someone try and fine them?

If he's in the ladies'? Yes. Being effeminate looking doesn't make him a woman.

What about masculine looking women?

What about them? They're still women.

Or a teenage boy wearing nail varnish? Or experimenting with hair colour?
What about a teenage girl who is happy being a girl, but prefers to wear ‘boys’ clothes?

They use the correct spaces for their sex. All of them . However they look. Why are you finding this so difficult to understand?

None of that matters at all, if they're using the correct toilet for their sex. No one's going to fine a man in the men's toilet because he's wearing nail polish, or a woman wearing a baseball cap in the ladies.