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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
LoobiJee · 19/10/2024 08:55

Fascinating article thanks for posting it.

Also, is the name change linked to a discussion this week? What have I missed?

BabaYagasHouse · 19/10/2024 08:56

Thank you for this excellent article, Your Majesty

Myalternate · 19/10/2024 08:58

I really enjoyed reading that.
Sex Based Rights Activist sounds preferable to GC

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 19/10/2024 09:09

"the women’s prison societies she [Elizabeth Fry] set up, which were copied in other countries, established an important precedent. This was that female reformers had a particular duty to help members of their own sex, and that separate services should be fought for where they were in women’s interests."

Take note, women including men in our stuff!

quantumbutterfly · 19/10/2024 09:10

Myalternate · 19/10/2024 08:58

I really enjoyed reading that.
Sex Based Rights Activist sounds preferable to GC

Biological Realist Activist ?
Biological Rights Activist?

I still prefer Tired of Explaining Reality to Fuckwits.

Djilly · 19/10/2024 09:20

Based in Britain?

littleburn · 19/10/2024 09:58

What a great read! Thank you for sharing.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 19/10/2024 10:01

A great article, and another book added to my list of must reads.

334bu · 19/10/2024 10:02

Thank you for link.

HerGorgeousMajestyArabellaScott · 19/10/2024 10:02

LoobiJee · 19/10/2024 08:55

Fascinating article thanks for posting it.

Also, is the name change linked to a discussion this week? What have I missed?

Someone lamenting how people should have an inalienable right to be addressed as they prefer. So I thought I'd add a helpful pointer.

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HerGorgeousMajestyArabellaScott · 19/10/2024 10:04

Djilly · 19/10/2024 09:20

Based in Britain?

Based, daddio.

Slang to mean 'based in reality', but the article's about historical roots of UK feminism. So it seemed to fit.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/10/2024 10:11

Curtseys. 🙇

That was a good read on a miserable wet morning. Thanks Your Gorg Maj.

PermanentTemporary · 19/10/2024 10:20

Ah her writing is so good. One to order.

HerGorgeousMajestyArabellaScott · 19/10/2024 10:21

MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/10/2024 10:11

Curtseys. 🙇

That was a good read on a miserable wet morning. Thanks Your Gorg Maj.

Jennifer Lawrence Curtsy GIF

Practising.

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quantumbutterfly · 19/10/2024 10:24

Is your queendom fwr or this thread? Or is this just one of those jollies diplomatic visits.

HerGorgeousMajestyArabellaScott · 19/10/2024 10:48

The entire fucking hyperbolic universe, probably.

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SquirrelSoShiny · 19/10/2024 10:52

I might go for her Imperial Holiness or something 😂

quantumbutterfly · 19/10/2024 10:53

Ah the beautiful land of Hyperbole. I've heard it's literally the best place in the universe.
Mind you I've also heard that there's a pesky pronoun problem, a bit like midgies in Scotland but more bitey.

timenowplease · 19/10/2024 11:30

Very interesting article and something I've often wondered.

I suspect intersectionality has has a far greater influence on this particular subject in the US than here. For instance the support of the Black Lives Matter movement for trans women of colour makes it very difficult to speak out about women only spaces without racism being brought into the conversation.

Datun · 19/10/2024 11:36

British feminists have mounted some of the strongest resistance in the world to the demand that self-identified gender should override biological sex. Over the last decade, the UK has seen a revival of grassroots campaigning for women’s sex-based rights, with a raft of new groups, publications, and conferences.

But why Britain?

One explanation, suggested by the media studies professor Sarah Pedersen and others, is the internet forum Mumsnet.

Yay

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SinnerBoy · 19/10/2024 11:54

Doffs cap to Her Gorgeous Maj, Queen of Mumsnet

I have to say that I found the following particularly interesting:

The UK’s health system also shaped public discourse on the issue. Because healthcare in Britain is government-funded, decisions over which treatments and medicines to provide are made by public agencies, not private insurers.

In the UK, data is publicly available, whilst in the USA, it's commercially confidential, which allowed interested outside parties to look at it. I'd never considered that previously.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/10/2024 12:04

SinnerBoy · 19/10/2024 11:54

Doffs cap to Her Gorgeous Maj, Queen of Mumsnet

I have to say that I found the following particularly interesting:

The UK’s health system also shaped public discourse on the issue. Because healthcare in Britain is government-funded, decisions over which treatments and medicines to provide are made by public agencies, not private insurers.

In the UK, data is publicly available, whilst in the USA, it's commercially confidential, which allowed interested outside parties to look at it. I'd never considered that previously.

Agree - I'd not considered that before. I've always been dismayed that the NHS has been captured by such a dangerous for children ideology. But now, as Cass has evidenced, the system is designed to expose the flaws. With #nodebate dead we're being allowed to question, seek data, expose flaws in research and data, ask why there's no data etc - it's a game changer.

duc748 · 19/10/2024 12:38

That's a very good piece. Get it in the Guardian, Susannah!

InvisibleBuffy · 19/10/2024 12:42

I think its all of those things but something else too, something uniquely British.
I live in the UK but did not grow up here. One of the things I love about here is the British sense of humour.
Not only do Brits have a deep and innate sense of the absurd but gently mocking each other and themselves is pretty much a national sport.
Americans, and a lot of other countries, take themselves far more seriously.
You don't see the same kind of reverence here for celebrities or people in high positions that you do in other countries.
If you watch almost every comedian-based discussion show on British TV - Would I lie to you, Mock The Week, Have I got News for You - they're all based on looking at real life and pointing out the absurdity.
The Brits have been brought up in a culture that absolutely loves taking the piss out of pretty much everything.
There is no way the British public would just accept at face value something as ridiculous as a burly fellow claiming he is actually now a woman called Suzie. Its just too silly.

Helleofabore · 19/10/2024 12:54

HerGorgeousMajestyArabellaScott · 19/10/2024 08:30

https://fairerdisputations.org/british-feminists/

Susannah Rustin, with some interesting insights into the history and evolution of Terf Island.

Mumsnet gets a nod.

Love the new name!