Oh no Rosie

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I'm so sad to see her go, she was the shining light within the Labour camp.

Sorry, but our electoral system is that we vote for the local candidate, not for the party. If people are voting purely according to which party they represent without any reference to who they are and the values and specific policies/interests they lobby for, then they are politically naive. Which party they belong to is supposed to give you insight into those values, but you are NOT voting for the Labour party… that would only be the case under a PR system.

It’s perfectly acceptable - as we see time and time again - for an MP to cross the floor or become an independent.

After all, we’d all love to pop our kids in an £18m covent garden property to revise for their GCSEs

We'd all love a £93k job with good pay rises guaranteed for the next 5 years.

Interesting that her constituents on this thread aren't happy.

Why should she have been pushed out of the party in such a way by haters and trans allies? She is a traditional Labour Party supporter - for whom Labour values are important. She campaigned on that basis and was elected on that basis.

Sorry, but our electoral system is that we vote for the local candidate, not for the party.

Ah right, because the party the winning candidates belong to has absolutely zero impact on the outcome of a general election? Are you sure?

A couple of her constituents, maybe. Women who post here have strong political investments in one thing or another. And some of them were strongly invested in voting Labour and berating those that were not going to.

She has the perfect way to decide how many constituents are happy with her decision.

If she has as many principles as PPs on this thread think she has, she will given them a say.

If Rosie has been my MP I'd have voted Labour; alas mine is a full on Mermaid aligned trans activist - so I couldn't.....regardless of what the Labour party manifesto said. You vote for the candidate as far as I'm concerned.

That's fine, but if you decided to vote Tory because the Tory candidate had the same views on trans as you, you couldn't then complain about getting a Tory government.

What is really bothering you do you think? What is it that makes you so angry about Rosie's decision? Is it because she is drawing further negative publicity towards Starmer?

I don't know much about the logistical workings of government, but I'm always surprised that this doesn't automatically trigger a by-election.

Yes - I studied politics. That is the way the system works - just because voters don’t understand this and vote along party lines (and we see in news reports where they say - ‘I’m voting for Boris/Kier’ and are not in their constituencies) doesn’t make it not so. We have one of the most politically illiterate and uneducated electorates in the world, a fact that was painfully clear during the Brexit campaigns where it was totally bloody obvious that 90+% of our population have fuck all idea how parliament operates, how a bill is passed, or how the European parliament operated along side our legal and political system.

Just because people think they are voting for a party and not the candidate does not make it so.

I spoiled my ballot. I've never voted Tory - but if there had been an excellent candidate where I live I'd have considered it. I live in a Labour stronghold, anyway - so it would have been pointless in terms of outcome.

I would have as well. And I am far from a Labour supporter .

I've just watched her interview on the BBC, she doesn't hold back .

But cross that Sky keep saying it's because of 'trans issues '

Is she? Really?

It's hardly unheard of for a candidate to leave the party they are elected to.
Why is RD doing it worse than any of the others?

No, I'm not a Labour supporter.

But people wowing about how principled Duffield is should consider whether it would have been more principled to stand as an independent candidate rather than become one three months after people voted for you as a Labour candidate, and claim that they voted for your 'independent-mindedness' rather than the Labour badge.

There was a lot of tactical voting in the election to get the Tories out. She knows that, and yet she's pretending that Labour had nothing to do with her re-election.

Because she must have been aware of all the issues she resigned on from the start, and she's got constituents that voted for her and donated to her campaign. I can understand her constituents feeling worried. She has every right to stand down of course. I wonder if she was about to be pushed?

And yet lots of people voting for Labour candidates tactically resulted in a Labour government.

It is ridiculous to claim that parties have nothing to do with general elections.

Cos it shows that the Labour refuseniks amongst us were right, maybe?

One constituent saying not and one saying they are, at my count. Maybe I missed others?

So all Labour MPs knew about stopping the WFA and that Keir and his inner circle were taking bribes?

Particularly as in my constituency, where there was no Reform candidate, people on social media were begging for a reform candidate so they could vote for the party.

The only tactical voting I know about in Canterbury was TRAs and Corbynites (overlapping categories I know) in Canterbury CLP, who failed to get Rosie deselected and then all decided to vote Green. Which, had they been as popular as they thought they were, would have flipped the seat to the Tories.

I mean - she must have known about the freebies as lots were declared during the GE campaign.

She stayed with Labour because people were campaigning to remove her - simply because of her views on women's sex based rights. Why should she leave a party she has been with for so long and worked so hard for - based on that alone?