Eddie Izzard says J K Rowling isn't transphobic

[WallaceinAnderland]

https://news.sky.com/story/jk-rowling-isnt-transphobic-says-gender-fluid-eddie-izzard-12177312#:~:text=Eddie%20Izzard,%20a%20gender-fluid%20comedian%20who%20uses%20both%20male%20and

Wonder why it's taken so long. Does Eddie think the tide is turning?

We all know what men and women are so why do you feel the need to put cis in front of it? What benefit is there for you?

What a lot of bolleaux. My friend passed a man in Edinburgh airport a few months ago and certainly noticed!

Also it’s much easier to tell in person than it photos, especially since they can be filtered.

It can used if needed to clarify someone isn't trans.

Ironically, some people with gender critical views on platforms like twitter actually help justify the use of cisgender. Plenty of times someone (often, a celeb or politician who supports trans rights) will say "woman" and there will be a pile-on from 2 dozen all asking "how do we know it's a woman? What if it's a man?" or similar. If the post were to say "cisgendered woman" then this would remove any ambiguity.

On the other hand, people can stare at photos as long as they want and zoom in to analyse them.

It's generally rude to look at a complete stranger you aren't talking to more than a second or two otherwise it would come across as staring. So unless one is going to stare at every stranger they see in toilets (odd thing to do) the best one has is judging people just from a quick glance as you walk past them.

And as well as trying to identify trans woman, another concern (others besides myself have) is the obsession with what biological sex people are and the obsession with analysing photos of people's faces and bodies on twitter (yes, some people with gender critical views are doing this) could also mean women who aren't trans could be wrongly mistaken as being male if they don't fit the view of what people with gender critical views think they should look like. Transphobia harms all women.

While cisgender was coined about 30 years ago, the "stupid Latin prefix" you mention has indeed been around since Ancient Roman times and can be used in multiple contexts

If I’d known, while struggling through the tedium of Latin lessons decades ago, that elements of the language would be weaponised by numbskulls on the Internet to provide a faux justification for their deluded beliefs, I would have worked even less hard than I actually did.

A second or two is all it takes. I’ve never analysed a photo of anyone. That’s weird, yes. If someone scrutinized my picture and decided I was a man, I simply would not care.

Oh and treating transwomen as actual women harms all women.

I am amused to see that @Christinapple needed ChatGPT to provide an explanation for Cis. Not only does it speak to their confidence on the subject but ChatGPT is about as reliable as Wikipedia for providing facts.

IDNGAF if Cis is in every English dictionary in the world, it's offensive. Would Chrissie be offended if I referred to them (correct use as I don't know their sex) as a Septic Tank?

Cisgender is Latin and etc etc etc

No, I'm not genuflecting at that altar. Get over it.

Wanting males dressed as women to stay out of women’s toilets is not an “obsession with biological sex”

Izzard isn't 'she'. He was always completely open about being a transvestite male. His genes haven't changed.
There's no need to use 'cis' before 'woman'. 'Woman' is self-explanatory: adult human female. Transwomen are male. Women are not a subset of males. The fact that ill-educated flat-earthers on X think that their misuse of basic language means that 'cis' is necessary, doesn't mean that that is true. The should simply use the correct terms.
Yes we can tell the difference. Millions of years of evolution means that we know both which sex we can reproduce with and which sex is a danger to us.

Agreed.

"the obsession with what biological sex people are"

you're funny

Its very telling that someone that finds the mis "gendering" and mis "labelling" of people offensive, yet is happy to mis "gender" and mis "label" other people when it suits them.

Just more hypocrisy from the GI clowns.

This little problem is easily solved if women = women at all times and trans women = trans women at all times.

However, we are at the bonkers stage that soon (if not already) the only people who get to call themselves women are actually men and women have to be prefixed with "real" or "biological" or "actual" or "cis".

Women say no, Chris says I’m going to carry on anyway.

you’re not funny, mate, you’re dangerous.

In the real world, we can always tell.

I think those that say we don't register transwomen are confusing outward recognition with internal. I see transwomen and know they are trans. I don't say anything to him, or about him, in his presence but I do see a man dressed as a woman.

It's not the clothing, makeup, hairstyles that so many transwomen think makes them female. It's the gait, the shoulders, the stooping if they are tall, the feet and hands, the height, the hips and often the air of entitlement... there is so much that gives it away even for the men who think they pass. They don't.

Silence from women does not equal ignorance.

This.

I went to see Moulin Rouge a while ago and one of the can can girls is played by a male dancer.

I was sitting in the very back row at the top of the upper circle and it took me less than two seconds to clock that one of them was a man. (Interestingly he was one of the only ones without preferred pronouns in the programme.)

Cis is offensive as it denies the existence of people who have no gender, as it suggests there must always be a gender to transition from.

I was told this by a trainer who delivered a session at my work a couple of months ago who was transgender themselves, which I was surprised about (not that they were trans, that they said cis was offensive).

She says he wasn't making any effort to 'pass' . Just combing his hair , looking in the mirror, bold as brass.

I mean, we wouldn’t need the term “cis” if transwomen were honest enough to own the term transwoman- and why shouldn’t they, trans is just a Latin word blah blah blah blah blah.

Stop. It.

Just stop being so fucking offensive. I did latin to A-level. I perfectly well know what cis means.

And what you WANT it to mean has nothing to do with that. So just go away and stop being so offensive.

also: they are toilets. You are American? how the heck can you talk of trans women and all that sex stuff when you're too scared to use the word toilet?

we don't need it Stop. Using. It. To. Refer. To. Women. Here.

there are women. and then there are men who call themselves trans women. They are not the same. and women don't need a descriptor.