The Green Party expels Shahrar Ali

[cariadlet]

The Green Party had been found guilty of discrimination against Shahrar.
9K costs awarded in February.

He was suspended shortly before the Autumn Conference where he had proposed a motion in support of the Cass Review.

2 weeks ago he was awarded 90k. The Green Party is also facing massive legal bills for its own costs.

Today, they expelled Shahrar.
x.com/ShahrarAli/status/1839424905743638641?t=5LXUDcG2AzRTOHXmbMo_yQ&s=19

I'm not sure that they are maintaining that humans can "change sex". Don't they say that transwomen were women all along, since birth, and just incorrectly identified as male by those pesky medical staff, who looked at their genitals and claimed the baby was a boy? (And likewise transmen were men all along).

And yet anyone who publicly says humans can't change sex is vilified and called a bigot.

Even though it's also a common TRA thing to say gender identity isn't the same thing as sex.

I love a Friday evening on planet FWR when the flat earthers arrive to lecture women that we're all wrong about the law, that all the wins in court and compensation were actually losses and that only women give birth is a naughty delusion cos men know better. 🙄

Shahrar Ali has tweeted more details about his expulsion.

x.com/ShahrarAli/status/1839982822393614759?t=O2Dxc0mqu3wrx6jTERX3IA&s=19

Oh my Cariadlet that is insane (tho part of me is pleased that they are too batshit to even pretend to follow the rules. Hopefully another win for SA)

Wow you've really got to wonder about the mindset of these people. Willing to throw vast amounts of money, not to mention credibility away all because they MUST believe that men can be women and are not allowed to question it, even though they didn't arrive at that belief via any evidence but because someone told them it was bigoted to have any questions and forced that belief to become sacred. And not only that, anyone ELSE who disagrees with the non-evidenced belief must be punished. Batshit isn't even strong enough a word.

'A NOTE ON BATSHIT LEVELS OF GREEN PARTY DISCIPLINARY CRAZY. Latest abuse & subversion of disciplinary processes to evict me from party will not go unchallenged

Just to give a sense of scale of it:

1. Four clearly coordinated totally batshit T-phobia smear complaints from Aug 2022 were suddenly accelerated to a hearing after ditching an investigation I was told would need to happen first.

1. Party knew I needed time to make representations on sudden deadline & led me to believe hearing was being postponed, also on account of a family bereavement.

1. They went ahead with August hearing without telling me still going ahead knowing I was preparing representations for later, including under vexatious complaints policy.

1. We now know they helped themselves to an INQUORATE hearing on 21 Aug. They then scrambled together a quorate hearing next day without telling me (which could not have complied with an obligation to give Respondent notice).

6. As if these multiple breaches of our rules were not enough, they then waited 5 WEEKS to deliver expulsion news which they were obliged under own rules to notify within 5 DAYS!

1. Concurrently to all this they notified me of a "no-fault" suspension (NFS) on 23 Aug following receipt of a new complaint in Aug 2024. That fresh batshit T-phobia complaint was authored by one of the complainants from 2022 who also serves on Disciplinary Committee.

1. They invited me to submit representations, which I did, ahead of a review of my NFS supposed to take place this weekend. I don't know what's status of that review but I do know they are in rock & hard place territory on credible justification. The Green Party was already found to have perpetrated unlawful gender critical discrimination against me typified by procedural unfairness. They are doing the same again. At cost hearing on 13 Sept (which they also lost) Judge warned the Party’s barrister against living in "a different universe". '

Above Shahrar's tweet.

At cost hearing on 13 Sept (which they also lost) Judge warned the Party’s barrister against living in "a different universe".

That is very important (and good news for all GC upcoming cases) I think.

'Judge warned the Party’s barrister against living in "a different universe".'

Not just the barrister who has that problem.

Wow they have done the same thing again failed to follow their own procedure.

It is a slam dunk case.

@DadJoke it sounds from Shahrar Ali's tweet that procedure maybe still isn't being followed by the Green Party. Leaving them open to further action by SA and other members. Thoughts?

Sorry @fromorbit missed your tweet saying same!

It would not surprise me in the slightest. The time to spend on lawyers is before you kick someone out, not after. They are a shambles.

This, though, is not true:

The Green Party was already found to have perpetrated unlawful gender critical discrimination against me typified by procedural unfairness

All claims of harassment and discrimination were dismissed. It was literally just the procedural error which won him his very modest damages.

We can agree on something at least.

My first thought on reading the definitions upthread was "don't let this man be alone with any nursing home residents".

All claims of harassment and discrimination were dismissed. It was literally just the procedural error which won him his very modest damages.

@DadJoke

He was awarded modest "injury to feelings" damages. There is a sliding scale for these and they are often in this ballpark. He was also awarded £90,000 of his costs.

Not true. He was discriminated by procedural unfairness on account of his gender critical beliefs, the judge made that very clear. If he hadn't been discriminated against because of his beliefs he wouldn't have been awarded anything at all.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2dgd9d9503o.amp

The Green Party of England and Wales have been ordered to pay £90,000 to cover the costs of their former deputy leader, who won a discrimination case against them.

Shahrar Ali had already been awarded £9,100 in damages in February, after the court ruled the Greens had unlawfully discriminated against him during a row over his gender-critical beliefs.

Today's ruling raises questions about the Greens' financial stability after auditors warnedthe case left "uncertainty" about the party’s ability to operate normally.

While you're here @DadJoke can you explain which proper procedures Garden Court Chambers could have followed against Allison Bailey which would not have resulted in them losing the discrimination and victimisation claim she made on the grounds of her gender critical beliefs? What did they do wrong, that they should have done differently, and how?

And again, it's easy to sneer at "modest damages" but the costs bill would have been huge for GCC and the Green Party.

Absolutely, and the Green Party have also got their own costs to pay which will be far higher than the 90K costs they have to pay to Shahrar because of the number of lawyers they had.

It's only a small Party. They stopped capitations to local parties last year. Virtually every email to members includes a plea for donations - but members are never told why the Party is in such desperate need for money.

Do you think they think the members wouldn't be on their side, @cariadlet?

Good question.

The TRA authoritarians in control believe that they're right and only bigoted transphobes who don't belong in the Party would disagree with them.

Hard to know if they think that many ordinary members come in to that category or whether it's that their desire for control automatically leads to a desire to suppress bad news and to stifle debate.

That’s what makes it even more ridiculous. If they had taken the time and effort to follow procedure, this very minor “hurt feelings” compensation would not have ballooned into a huge legal bill.

The Green's own costs were at least £200,000 according to Shahrar. So we are looking at a total of a £300,000 bill minimum. For the Greens that is a big chunk of cash. Look at their published accounts.

2023- Aug 2024 Green Party Income £3,819,156 Expenditure £3,724,134

That is with multiple cases still to come which ARE stronger than Shahrar's were. Plus Shahrar case part 2. There are the May 2025 elections coming too.

Do you think that they are being financed/expecting to be financed by one of the rich TA foundations or companies? Or is it just that they are just so frothing at the mouth bonkers and authoritarian that they are willing to bankrupt the party in a "good cause" what with Ali being supposedly so evil? Or they somehow think they are legally in the right? It's incomprehensible to me.

All claims of harassment and discrimination were dismissed.

Your statement was incorrect @DadJoke wasn't it? It's ok to admit you're wrong sometimes.