16-year-old boy shares his story about being forced to be trans by mother

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What have I just read?

"His crush would bring some spare clothes to school so he wouldn’t have to wear a dress. His teachers would pull him aside and lecture him on conforming to gender norms and say that what he was doing was ‘toxic’. “I was shamed by my English teacher. She said I was setting a bad example for other LGBTQ kids,” he explained."

You know when you read something an think "how can this be real" and then you think about Susie Green and Jazz's parents and David Tennant and think, of course this is happening to some of these kids.

That article is hilariously badly written. You've been had, @WandsOut.

I don't know why people are saying it's obviously fake. I posted a couple of links earlier in the thread about court cases in which a parent had transed their child. It most certainly does happen.

Interesting how all the usual MRAs/TAs have come out in force to post on this. The thread next to this has details of the tragic death of a trans man following phalloplasty.

Just down the list there are several threads on Mridul W who used rape victims to satisfy his own narcissistic needs and who has badly damaged a much needed rape centre.

Two threads away we have the news that the Scouts will have mixed sex tents, because everyone knows what a good idea it is to encourage teenagers to sleep together.

Strangely enough none of these include mocking posts from our usual suspects. Crickets. Tumbleweed. Nada.

Baffling isn't it?

That’s pretty insulting to OP, but you do you.

It's not that no one pressures their kids into claiming to be trans, it's that this particular article doesn't pass the smell test.

@OldCrone because it's a load of old nonsense! I thought it was ridiculous when a load of numpties on twitter made a thing about JKR having black mould in her house, and when they insist we're all evangelical Republicans, and I think it's ridiculous when we are supposed to believe that some kind of journalist on an Australian showbiz gossip website published a random unverified email purporting to be from a 16 year old living in America about being sent to school, in California obvs, in fishnet tights because of his evil mother who somehow spirited him out of Australia against his poor old hardworking dad's wishes, because the horrible oppressive bitch hates all men, even her poor son, and forces him to wear a pink hair bow and laugh at him... it's great big hairy pornsoaked bollocks.

Just because it is still so incredible, so extraordinary that people genuinely expect us to believe that male people can be women and vice versa, and that children should have their essential physical development halted for psychological reasons; and just because there really are some women who are major players in this cultural phenomenon in ways we haven't really reckoned with; none of that means we have to swallow any old shite, do we?

@PermanentTemporary that's not really my point. The whole article does seem unlikely to be true, but there seem to be a few posters on this thread who are using that to suggest that there aren’t actually parents who are transing their children just to get attention.

It seems astonishing that Susie Green did what she did, and since then has made it her mission to recruit as many other children as possible to the same fate. But that happened.

It seems astonishing that any parents would make a reality show out of their child being given drugs and surgery to try to make them resemble the opposite sex, but Jazz Jennings exists.

Also Desmond is Amazing and Kai Shappley seem to be real people. And so many more victims of this c^1t.

There have been a number of court cases where one parent has transed their child and the other parent has fought this, because the child doesn't even want to be transed. This is really happening. I'm objecting to the posters on this thread who are suggesting that because this particular story is unlikely to be true, that something similar isn't happening to other children. It is.

I take your point OldCrone. It's enraging that women are held to such high standards while transactivists can wield so much power while uttering complete lies and dangerous nonsense, from TWAW, men can grow a cervix, sex isn't binary and that children can be born in the wrong body. And it's absolutely right to point out the similarity with so many real live cases of the damage being done to children.
I'd still prefer it that people didn't cite sources that are unlikely to be true. But agree that it does pale into insignificance when contrasted with the enormous lie that you can change sex.

• If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself.

• A lie told once remains a lie but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth.

That Goebbels fella was on to something.

Absolutely - if you keep spreading implausible drivel such as this article, you’ll eventually find that there are enough numpties who want it to be true, and believe it.

I don't know if that article is true, but I am aware in real life of a trans teen who 'came out' as a toddler to great fanfare from the mother. 'Fighting' for 'trans kids' has become the entire life and identity of both mother and child for years. I can't see that the child has had much of a choice. The mother has revolved their entire social lives around it, and there's a very strong 'people hate you for who you are' narrative.
There aren't other hobbies or anything. It reminds me of those fanatical pageant mothers except with extra medication.

@InvisibleBuffy that poor child. So many people tell these kids that disagreeing means the world hates them and that's such an evil thing to say. No hobbies, just focusing on trans? Again that's awful and happens to so many of these kids

It's awful. But that makes it worse when articles/stories that aren't true are circulated because it obscure what is going on
The same way the "litter boxes in schools" story got blown up in America even though it wasn't true, at the expense of genuinely dodgy things happening in some schools. And now you will notice that "Republican panics about litter boxes" gets referenced a lot as a short hand for debates about transitioning in school etc. It makes it harder to recognise the truth.

I see it more as highlighting the insanity, but I can see your point about how it could be used to obscure the truth. It makes me wonder who is actually circulating these particular fictions. Perhaps they're written by extreme transactivists, to support their view that anyone who objects to the transing of children is a pearl clutching prude caught up in a moral panic about things which aren't happening anyway.

But although this particular article may be fiction, it's all too similar to actual documented cases.

There are actual documented cases of parents transing their children against the wishes of the other parent and even the children themselves.

There are actually parents who are exploiting their children's supposed trans identity for financial gain (Jazz Jennings, Kai Shappley, Desmond Napoles and others). We have no idea how much the parents in these and other cases have coerced and encouraged their child to identify as trans.

We should ignore the cries of "this doesn't happen" from the TRAs and discuss the parts of this story which are happening to children.

I've come across a couple of parents who use their kids as an extension of their own identity.

Interesting examples there. Agree article is probably not true.

However on your slippery slope another example would be it's a slippery slope to 'sex isn't real' and 'sterilising children is 'gender affirming' care' and 'rape victims don't have the right to single sex care as this is bigoted'.

Whilst one set of patently ridiculous fake ideas (like people eating pets) rightly get derision, another set have been normalised and embedded in institutions. The latter are more dangerous.

Frankly I don't know how anyone can watch more than about 10 minutes of the Jazz Jennings tv show without wanting to call social services. It's obviously abusive. Jazz has multiple health problems and one bit i watched (I can never watch that much at a time) has Jazz's mother saying 'a 20 year old shouldn't have all these health problems'. Um, join the dots FFS.

The parents are in obvious shock at the experimental nature of Jazz's surgeries at times.

Yet all these adults watching this, recording this, do nothing.

Exactly, but sex is real. There is obviously a lot of nuance in the world, and people can completely legitimately disagree on quite fundamental stuff. There's lots of stuff we just don't know for certain. But you can start saying "trans women are women" because even though it isn't true, it feels kind and harmless (and because it's the opposite to what the religious right think) And that then logically leads to the harmful examples you outlined. "Is it true" is a much better question than "does this fit with what my team say".

There are actual documented cases of parents transing their children against the wishes of the other parent and even the children themselves.

I can't remember where I read it, but a teenage boy was saying he wanted to stop taking female hormones because they were interfering with his sex drive, but he didn't know how to do it, because his mum wouldn't let him stop. He was asking for advice on how to override her

We should ignore the cries of "this doesn't happen" from the TRAs and discuss the parts of this story which arehappening to children.

absolutely. See dad joke on this very thread.

@datun you've confused "this didn't happen" with "this doesn't happen." And yes, stick to real, verifiable sources, not gender critical fantasy pieces, or the politicisation of their kids by GOP bigots.

Yeah, thinly veiled forced feminisation and slagging off women from start to finish sounds very 'gender critical fantasy'.

Datun what's a men's right fantasy look like?

Quite. Even when they're trying to frame women, it leaches out.

This story is undoubtably a load of bollocks but there is no denying the fact that parents have transed their children IRL.

MRAs also hate transgender people. You have that in common, at least.