16-year-old boy shares his story about being forced to be trans by mother

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What have I just read?

"His crush would bring some spare clothes to school so he wouldn’t have to wear a dress. His teachers would pull him aside and lecture him on conforming to gender norms and say that what he was doing was ‘toxic’. “I was shamed by my English teacher. She said I was setting a bad example for other LGBTQ kids,” he explained."

You know when you read something an think "how can this be real" and then you think about Susie Green and Jazz's parents and David Tennant and think, of course this is happening to some of these kids.

I know someone whose teenage daughter is trans. Everything the mum posts on social media is about Trans rights, she’s become an LBGTQ champion at work etc.
The thing is, her daughter actually doesn’t look that much like a boy, just non gender conforming. Short hair (I suspect a binder) but her clothes and hair are actually still very feminine.
i wonder if she pulls away from it, it’s actually harder to do as your parent has invested so much in it.

Some of these parents make it their whole identity, even more than their child.

It does. It did strike me about the Texan case @theilltemperedclavecinist linked to, just how hopelessly intertwined with politics the issue is in the US. It seems impossible to hold a gender-critical position there without being branded 'extreme right-wing' or some such. Emotive phrases like 'targeting the transgender community' are pretty clear in their implication.

You have got to be the most gullible person on God's green earth to believe this transparent gender critical fantasy.

Oh thank you so much for pointing out that it's fantasy. Nobody else in the entire thread had noticed until you kindly explained it to us. Must be our titchy lady brains playing up again!

It's not a GC fantasy, it's an MRA one. People who are critical of gender stereotypes would not write a story in which the villains are a crazy ex-wife who lies about domestic abuse and a female teacher who dislikes boys.

I agree. But then I think about pageant moms. Or the Jazz situation. Extreme entertainment creates extreme stories. The writer is a reality tv writer. Would be interesting to ask her where the story came from.

The more I read it, the more the original link sounds like something that would be the plot of a trashy but weirdly entertaining film depending on the costumes.

Or an episode of Black Mirror.

It reads as fake BUT

We know one of the things that makes it difficult for children and young adults to detransition is effectively the sunk costs issue regarding identity and how your social network is built around the issue. Because it's cult like detransition is regarded as almost a betrayal and it brings pariah status.

But I think we have only really explored this from the perspective of the child.

It's not that hard to imagine parents who are particularly vulnerable in their own right, suddenly finding their own place in a community, but in order to continue to be part of that community their child has to be trans.

As I say, the cult like behaviour of some of these groups wouldn't make it beyond the realms of possibility by any stretch.

I think this particular article smells off, but I think there are parents who create their own identities from their child being trans and we should be mindful of it.

Parents who then spend their lives going around forums berating women for their 'unacceptable' behaviour which gives them a buzz and a shiny halo for being such a good ally.

Yeah blaming all the women who make up abusive ex husbands and scream at boy pupils.

Really sounds very gender critical.

Much more likely to be based on some nasty 'forced feminisation' story.

Sounds like total bollocks to me. It's every cliche of what some people extreme people assume the parent of a trans kid is like - oh, they must be a woke snowflake attention seeking pervert who wants to sexually exploit their child because being trans is all about sex. I agree there's a hint here of someone's forced feminisation fetish there.

My instinct is this is highly dodgy.

Oh, I agree it’s pretty hard to tell the difference.

Another one not convinced by this particular story. But if you want real life, here's a judgement about a mother who did precisely this and abused her son by insisting that he was a girl.
She eventually lost custody of him but what the judgement highlights is how so many professionals with a duty to safeguard this child in the face of a mentally unwell mother failed completely - because they prioritised trans ideology instead of safeguarding a child. And that's happening everywhere:

www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Fam/2016/2430.html.

Link not working for me.

Quite.

The way it's written sounds fake. The concept is only too plausible.

It's such damaging language as well. Forcing a child to be trans sounds bad, and pushy, but that's all. This isn't what that is. It's serious sexual abuse of a child through humiliation. The language used minimises this so much.

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https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Fam/2016/2430.html

(I think there was an errant full stop after the link)

Oh, the idea that autistic and gay children are being sterilised and left with 0 sexual function through the use of puberty blockers sounds like a crazy conspiracy. So does the idea that a convicted male rapist was put on a prison with women. There are so many things that you think "that can't be true" and then it is.
That's why it's so important to keep a really firm hold on facts and what's true though. Otherwise it's easy to spin out into crazy conspiracy theories. See also the people who responded to Trumps (mad) first term by deciding anything the republicans are against must be good and therefore JKRowling, lesbian rad gems etc must be in the pay of the Christian far right.
This article is hogwash (probably).

Yeah no. Didn't so much jump the shark as take a 100m run up, backflip over it then piss in it's eyes.

Giving credence to nonsense like this helps no one.

Not buying Lucas's story at all ("the teacher accused me of something called mansplaining" - said no teenager ever) - however, I think there's ample evidence of some parents taking an idea and running with it, especially these days when "trans" is everywhere. And of course there will be others who are the exact opposite, react with horror and refuse to listen to a word of it, which can also be very damaging.

Only for those with the intellectual might of a packet of pork pies.

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Yeah this is crap. Is this some sort of right-wing tabloid?

I hope for that child's sake it's fake but yes, it really does happen. Parents who can be sane in other areas of their life go batshit when it's anything to do with trans. I know a fervent trans activist dad who pushes his daughter in all areas of her transition. When his son, on a trip to the zoo, announced that he wanted to be an elephant the dad pointed out that he was a boy and so couldn't be an elephant. Does this idiot not see what he is saying? Gah!