Trans and health: reality bites

[QAOPspaceman]

Maybe affirming people's fantasies doesn't help them or anyone else

www.theguardian.com/society/2024/sep/19/trans-people-england-missing-vital-cancer-screening

So surely they could have it clearly stated prominently at the top of their notes that they have a "gender identity" of M and a "sex assigned at birth" of F or vice versa/whatever, and a clear note of what screening is required based on what they still have, what they've had removed, and so on. That would be brief and easy to understand.

I saw some Reddit discussion from a trans subreddit which suggested parts of the NHS have started shifting to something like this within the last year - or at least the clear separation of sex and "gender".

The OP and I think one commenter had seen this in their records. Everyone was very, very upset about it - that such sensitive information (their sex) should be in their medical records where "anyone" could read it.

This is largely exactly what it's about.

GI is all about eating the cake and having the cake and demanding more cake, and that everyone else gives you their cake too with menaces for refusers.

Surely the common sense short term answer to this is that as pp says, people who ask to change the markers on their medical records to something that is factually untrue sign a form saying that they accept personal responsibility for any negative outcomes that may arise from their having chosen to withhold information regarding their sex from a medical professional, and will be responsible for seeking their own needed health care and screenings. And the NHS's responsibility ends there.

If we're busy claiming that young children can definitely absolutely give informed consent for sterilisation then absolutely adults can be held responsible for their medical decisions. Until some sanity returns to the UK.

As far as I'm aware, you don't have to have a GRC to do this, it's just done on request.

I’m embarrassed for these people. Their idiocy knows no bounds.

What does the poor nurse do?? Surely that's assault against the nurse?

Nurses and other NHS workers report a high degree of unwanted sexual behaviour (including SA) in the NHS. Despite policies like Zero Tolerance, the culture encourages them not to act on it, far less report it.

The widespread incidents of sexual harassment are revealed in a wide-ranging survey published by the Unison union on the first day of its annual health conference in Brighton.
In the study of more than 12,200 health workers, one in 10 reported unwanted incidents including being touched or kissed, demands for sex in return for favours, and derogatory comments.
Royal College of Nursing chief nurse Professor Nicola Ranger said: “These figures paint an incredibly disturbing picture."
In the survey, sexual assault was reported by 29% of respondents who had experienced harassment, while half said they have been leered at or been the target of suggestive gestures.
One in four who had been harassed said they have suffered unwelcome sexual advances, propositions or demands for sexual favours.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2jxjepm00zo

The caveat to the Darwin awards is that you need to take yourself out the gene pool before you breed, which disqualifies a few late transitioners.

If a patient changes their gender identity on their health records, they should sign a legal waiver. It's upto them to request the appropriate sex based medical care because they chose to falsify their medical records.

I agree but apparently that's too difficult and invalidating and doctors don't know how to talk to trans people or something

It would require them taking responsibility for their actions and that would never do!

So what did they think the solution should actually be?

Is there some kind of 'inclusive' way of solving it?

Well, fancy that.

The thread where a male called 999 because he was having an asthma attack, and they asked for his sex at birth, and he then complained at length?

Much outrage on reddit at 'gendering' lungs. And on here various MNers explaining why sex matters wrt lung capacity and peak rate flow etc.

They could develop some kind of memory wipe mechanism so anyone who'd seen the unholy information of deadnames/biosex would be cleansed and forget their sin immediately. A sort of transconfessional.

@Datun

From the article, this is what was suggested

O’Callaghan said more could be done. “The system needs to find a way to track trans status without removing a person’s right to privacy.

They added: “A potential solution would be having both gender and sex registered at birth on the patient record, but the latter only being accessible at a system level or by clinicians with permission. But any solution to this issue must be co-created with trans patients directly.”

Recording biological sex as well as made up gender, what a novel idea!

Aren't there some people who even if they were to be sent sex appropriate NHS test invites, this would make these people dysphoric. Even if it is carefully worded and all.

This really does get to be extreme, and in these cases, what is the NHS supposed to do?

Ah, so they get the receptionist calling them Miss, but they still get a prostate exam ?

I hate to sully Friends by invoking it here, but could they be more transparent 😁

I despair at this sort of nonsense, all trans people know exactly what sex they actually are and ought to be taking responsibility for their own health. Surely they know that they need periodic screening? It's common knowledge.

Anyway, in case anyone doesn't know about cutted up pear...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/mumsnet_classics/1301196-If-my-3yo-had-access-to-AIBU

So illness doesn't buy into delusions. Colour me surprised.

The thread where a male called 999 because he was having an asthma attack, and they asked for his sex at birth, and he then complained at length?

Miracle cure!

Well you just know that if a "trans man" WAS invited for a pap smear, she'd doubtless take to Reddit to complain about how invalidating and triggering it was for her dysphoria.

The NHS is on its knees, especially when it comes to women's services. Having to pander to countless 'special' groups for no good reality-based reason is NOT the way to run a socialised universal healthcare service effectively.

Whilst I have a certain amount of sympathy for gender dysphoric females as statistics show that most of them have experienced sexual abuse (as have I), I'm also an old dinosaur who doesn't have enough oestrogen left in her body to pander to people who will persist in foolishness. If you make a huge fuss thinking you can opt out of your own sex and all the attendant problems with it, then to a large extent that's your bed and you've got to lie in it.

Possibly a return to Iron Age cleansing rituals, where if you sin you go and sit in an underground cave for a few days burning sage.

Gosh. Have I really been on Mumsnet 13 years?

The phrase I remember most from that is "the utter arse of a woman". Still makes me laugh.

A potential solution would be taking responsibility for self and not requiring everyone else to run around in circles.

Wha really?? Does that actually happen?? What does the poor nurse do?? Surely that's assault against the nurse?

it really is a thing, and yes as a pp said it’s just part of the general issue of sexual behaviour and harassment that affect HCPs, mainly female ones. But it’s harder of course when you’re not allowed to say the person is male and you can be accused of transphobia for objecting.

it’s not true of all trans women but it’s been an increasingly big issue in recent times because of the cultural shift towards immediately affirming any male who says he’s female and abandoning the previous process of psychotherapy and checks. Men who used to indulge their fetish in private are now coming out as trans women because they are encouraged to and everyone is expected to bow down to them and affirm them. There’s also a much greater rate of sex offending among trans women than among males in general, though part of that is the tendency for sex offenders to say they identify as female when put on trial in an attempt to get a lighter sentence or get into a female prison.

The fetish element is called agp and has been extensively studied.

this and various other things are why some people have concerns about gender ideology.

Its as if biological sex is fixed and immutable and the risk of sex linked conditions and illnesses does not disappear when the admin records change.