4th Plinth Trans sculpture

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13864589/Sculpture-featuring-faces-transgender-non-binary-gender-non-conforming-people-unveiled-fourth-plinth-Trafalgar-Square-theres-no-statue-late-Queen.html

New sculpture on the 4th plinth. It’s never been clearer that these are the faces of biological men. You see the bone structure, the brow bone, the jaw. Not hidden under make-up, filters or long hair.

Thank you to the artist for showing us the real face

That Johnathon Jones article is where I saw the close up. The amount of foundation, they must have been absolutely caked in it!

I remember hearing about the killings and disappearances of young women in Cuidad years ago. I used to Google it every now and again, to see if anyone had been caught. There was rarely any news, good news even rarer, and it all got too depressing. The threads on the rapists in France and the Instagram mums (putting 'what are they thinking!' to one side) the sheer number of predators they attract, just demonstrates male sexual predators are ten a penny. In countries like Mexico where the writ of the law is very thin and non-existent in parts women are just prey and little constrains the men, they can do more than look. They can do whatever they want.

So it does!

As a counter to a slave ship why not a memorial to the thousand or so sailors who lost their lives stopping slave ships leaving West Africa, and freeing the slaves on them?

I remember hearing about the killings and disappearances of young women in Cuidad years ago. I used to Google it every now and again, to see if anyone had been caught. There was rarely any news, good news even rarer, and it all got too depressing. The threads on the rapists in France and the Instagram mums (putting 'what are they thinking!' to one side) the sheer number of predators they attract, just demonstrates male sexual predators are ten a penny. In countries like Mexico where the writ of the law is very thin and non-existent in parts women are just prey and little constrains the men, they can do more than look. They can do whatever they want.

At one point Juarez was the most dangerous place in the world outside an active war zone. Mostly due to femicide.

Joan Smith in Unherd

https://unherd.com/newsroom/trafalgar-squares-trans-artwork-obscures-violence-against-women/

a memorial to people who haven't been murdered

And why 'a thousand'? It's 736, were there not enough people squeezed under the trans umbrella who wanted to participate? Did the artist get bored? Does the artwork identify as a thousand? Or is it an artistic representation of the usual hyperbole around the subject?

It's just a group of people with no exploration of why they are there. Knowing that they are trans and non binary people I would have assumed that the artist is gender critical. All you can see is sex, male and female. Inescapable until we die and disappear.

Why are some of them covered in blood? <boak>

Ugly and shows them all to be the men they are. Not one of those masks look female (haave seen it in the flesh also and looked from all sides).

Seems like a huge own goal to me. Esp for the 'oestrogen has made me female' lads.

Is the blood from murdered people and stolen from a morgue?

Like so much around gender ideology, it's not what it seems. The 'blood' is make-up.

Jonathan Jones is never a nuanced view, you can spot his reviews a mile off without reading the byline.

If it's queer, he likes it. If it isn't, he doesn't.

You express my own thoughts clearly and concisely.

Can't we just have a statue of the Queen instead of this utter bollocks?!

I've liked a lot of the 4th plinth things but it's been going a while now and I am so over it.

Permanent statue of the Queen would be perfect.

Jo Bartosch in Spiked

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/09/19/the-new-fourth-plinth-is-a-monument-to-trans-narcissism/

She says this about the artist

Margolles offers something else the elites think is juicy, too – a tiresome, boundary-pushing edginess that has become a substitute for talent. As a pioneer of ‘corpse art’, Margolles’s studio in Mexico City adjoins a morgue. She even boasts of using fluids from the dead bodies brought in.

I don't think she likes it😄

I'm sure the transwomen in Mexico who are working mainly in prostitution have some difficult marginalised lives. To claim any parallel between them and British transwomen though is nonsense, (in my experience they work mainly in local government and IT!)

I read an article by Dame Prue Leith - who has skin in the game because she was the person who pushed and pushed and PUSHED for the fourth plinth to be used as a space for a rolling programme of interesting contemporary sculpture - and she says quite clearly that the fourth plinth is quite inappropriate as a memorial to QE11, mostly, she argues, because the fourth plinth simply isn’t a grand enough site for a statue of such national importance to be placed. She is very clear that there needs to be a memorial, but that it needs to be in a place that reflects the late Queens contribution to our society, not shoehorned into a conveniently empty space, and points out that Trafalgar Square is already a monument to another person!

Dame Prue Leith Not just a bake off judge and restauranteur!

I agree with Prue Leith.

I think it's reasonable for it to be a showcase rather than a permanent monument. Some of it is always going to be dross.

The thing about it being a showcase is that the art world is choc full of this shite.

I agree, but meh they're only temporary.

Me too. I wonder if I can get her on board with my Larry the Cat memorial idea.

This is a very important piece of art.
We mustn't forget that there is a genocide going on against trans women. We kill them when we don't use their preferred pronouns because if we don't validate their existence, they don't exist (almost as if their identities have no connection to reality, but I digress). If they don't exist it's because we have murdered them. It's a genocide. And we must never forget that when we are not killing them directly with our indifference, we are making them kill themselves too, they are the victims and the perpetrators of their genocide, which makes them double victims. Being trans is as dangerous as doing sex work in Mexico, no, it's more dangerous! It's a genocide! Remember their pronouns, or you will be a murderer too! just like the men who kill sex workers in Mexico! Thats you terf!

@Postsynapticdensity 👏 🍷

Interesting article

https://thecritic.co.uk/neither-beautiful-nor-true/