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Scotland guidance on school uniform for schools

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ArabellaScott · 12/09/2024 16:23

https://www.gov.scot/publications/school-uniform-clothing-guidance-schools-education-authorities/pages/8/

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It is important for schools to recognise and understand that there may be issues related to clothing and uniform which have a greater impact on some pupils more than others, or in relation to particular activities. For example, young women and girls can often experience societal pressure to look or dress in a certain way. This can have an impact on their comfort and body image and may make them feel more self-conscious or anxious about attending school or participating in certain activities, such as PE. There may also be a perception that school uniform policies, and their implementation, can produce sexist double standards; for example, with girls and young women being held to stricter standards than boys and young men.[11] Research[12] also suggests that the cost of school uniform and clothing can be higher for girls and young women than it is for boys and young men.
Under the 2010 Act, schools must ensure that their uniform or clothing policies do not discriminate against pupils on the basis of their sex. Schools should design and implement gender neutral clothing and uniform policies that support participation and inclusion for all pupils. These policies should recognise and challenge the impact of harmful gender stereotypes, avoid gendered assumptions about the type of uniform that is preferred and promote flexibility and pupil choice.
Schools should avoid categorising items of clothing or uniform as suitable for a particular sex or gender and instead include a range of comfortable and practical, gender neutral options to support all pupils to participate fully in all subjects and activities. Schools should be mindful of language used when implementing uniform policy with individual students. For example, schools should avoid using language such as “modest” or “decent” as these terms are stigmatising and often only applied to girls and young woman. Schools should ensure that when supporting and encouraging pupils to observe their uniform or clothing policy, their approach promotes gender equality, does not respond differently to pupils because of their sex or gender and supports pupils’ freedom to express their gender identity.
Teachers and school staff should be supported to access appropriate training and resources to recognise and respond to gender-based issues and promote a culture of gender equality in their school. The Gender Based Violence Working Group has developed the Preventing and responding to gender based violence: a whole school framework. This resource will support those working with and in schools to develop and strengthen universal and targeted approaches to gender-based violence within the context of the Getting it right for every child (GIRFEC) approach.'

'Sexual Orientation and Gender Re-assignment

It is important that school uniform and clothing policies recognise and respond to the needs and identities of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer/questioning and intersex plus (LGBTQI+) pupils. Schools should develop and implement flexible and inclusive policies which take a proactive approach to address stereotypes and stigma which can often lead to prejudice or bullying experienced by pupils who are LGBTQI+. Under the 2010 Act, schools must ensure that their uniform and clothing policies do not discriminate on the basis of sex, sexual orientation or gender re-assignment.

The Scottish Government supported development of Guidance on supporting transgender young people in Scottish schools. The guidance is underpinned by the duties placed on education providers by the 2010 Act and provides advice on the practical application of those duties in a school setting. The guidance includes advice on school uniform. While this is in the context of supporting transgender pupils in schools, the principle can also apply to all pupils. The guidance says:

Supporting Transgender Pupils in Schools: Guidance for Scottish Schools

…forcing transgender young people to wear clothes which do not match their gender identity can be distressing for them, and may constitute discrimination under the Equality Act 2010.

If your school has a uniform, the school uniform policy should include a range of options to accommodate the needs of girls and boys and these should also accommodate the needs of transgender young people through gender-neutral options; this can be helpful for many young people. This approach should allow all young people to wear the school uniform they feel most comfortable in.
Schools should not exclude transgender young people because of how they dress, unless it breaches health and safety regulations.

If your school doesn't have a school uniform, it should be clear that young people can wear what they want, including skirts, trousers, shorts, regardless of gender identity, as long as this complies with school guidelines.

This guidance also provides advice on clothing for transgender young people participating in PE and highlights some examples of good practice. This includes allowing transgender young people to wear sportswear which matches their expressed gender identity and considering alternative options for swimming. Again, while this advice is provided within the context of supporting transgender young people, taking a flexible and informed approach will support participation and engagement for all pupils.

In addition, teachers and school staff should be supported to access appropriate training and resources to support a whole school approach to implementation of ‘LGBT Inclusive Education.’ The Scottish Government has worked with partners to develop a national platform to support teachers and school staff across Scotland to tackle prejudice through education. These resources can be accessed here: LGBT Inclusive Education | National Platform.'

School uniform and clothing: Guidance for schools and education authorities

This guidance provides schools and education authorities with advice to support local decisions about the design and implementation of school uniform and clothing policies in Scotland.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/school-uniform-clothing-guidance-schools-education-authorities/pages/8

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ArabellaScott · 12/09/2024 16:26

Surely this needs updated in the wake of Cass?

The use of phrases like 'transgender young people' etc is explicitly criticised in Cass Report. 'Queer' pupils?! And what the fuck is the 'plus'?

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SeptimusSheep · 12/09/2024 16:29

Why would lesbian girls need different clothing from any other girl? And why would gay boys, or bisexual children of either sex, need different clothing?

popeydokey · 12/09/2024 16:30

Schools should avoid categorising items of clothing or uniform as suitable for a particular sex or gender

…forcing transgender young people to wear clothes which do not match their gender identity can be distressing for them, and may constitute discrimination under the Equality Act 2010.

So, do items of clothing "match" any genders, or not?

ArabellaScott · 12/09/2024 16:32

SeptimusSheep · 12/09/2024 16:29

Why would lesbian girls need different clothing from any other girl? And why would gay boys, or bisexual children of either sex, need different clothing?

Exactly.

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ArabellaScott · 12/09/2024 16:33

popeydokey · 12/09/2024 16:30

Schools should avoid categorising items of clothing or uniform as suitable for a particular sex or gender

…forcing transgender young people to wear clothes which do not match their gender identity can be distressing for them, and may constitute discrimination under the Equality Act 2010.

So, do items of clothing "match" any genders, or not?

I actually can't work this out. We have boys and girls uniforms - would a boy be penalised for wearing a skirt unless he declares a 'transgender' identity? If so, that would be discrimination, as far as I can gather?

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popeydokey · 12/09/2024 16:34

Can someone please just decide whether or not any genders "match" any biological sex, any personality traits, any body parts, any items of clothing, any measure of femininity or masculinity, then be clear and consistent about it? Ta.

ArabellaScott · 12/09/2024 16:34

Perhaps children should ask what clothing is appropriate for their gender identity. They can make up any old shit. 'My gender is Jupiter Bluespot, which uniform am I supposed to wear?'

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StainlessSteelMouse · 12/09/2024 16:44

It seems like a lot of verbiage just to say that boys should be allowed to wear skirts.

I think the kilt is long overdue a fashion revival, Tenpole Tudor stylee, but I suppose kilts wouldn't be "queer" enough.

StainlessSteelMouse · 12/09/2024 16:47

Also, I know I always say this, but I can never read a ScotGov announcement about schools policy without thinking of Captain Oveur from Airplane.

Grammarnut · 12/09/2024 16:51

One assumes kilts are allowed - to both sexes? Late HMQ frequently wore one in Scotland. I'd have thought that covered the entire spectrum.😂Maybe mandate that only kilts may be worn as they are genderfree?😀

ArabellaScott · 12/09/2024 16:55

I do think that unisex options are sensible. Especially when it's hot and boys are forced to wear ties, long trousers, in classrooms that are over 30 degrees.

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StainlessSteelMouse · 12/09/2024 17:01

It used to be a thing in Bavaria for boys to wear lederhosen in school. I think it still is in some rural areas. Like the kilt, it started out as a practical working garment before it got kitschy.

NPET · 12/09/2024 18:00

StainlessSteelMouse · 12/09/2024 16:44

It seems like a lot of verbiage just to say that boys should be allowed to wear skirts.

I think the kilt is long overdue a fashion revival, Tenpole Tudor stylee, but I suppose kilts wouldn't be "queer" enough.

Maybe I'm not being entirely serious here (!) but I think boys should be made to wear kilts or skirts to school. Apparently it makes it more difficult for them to pee. Perhaps then they'd understand the difficulties we can face!

LongtailedTitmouse · 12/09/2024 18:47

ArabellaScott · 12/09/2024 16:55

I do think that unisex options are sensible. Especially when it's hot and boys are forced to wear ties, long trousers, in classrooms that are over 30 degrees.

30 degrees? We are talking Scotland here! The problem is more young children choosing to wear shorts and T-Shirts at minus 10 degrees…

LongtailedTitmouse · 12/09/2024 18:51

The length of skirt many girls feel forced by peer pressure to wear barely covers them. It would never cover a boy.

borntobequiet · 12/09/2024 18:55

Grammarnut · 12/09/2024 16:51

One assumes kilts are allowed - to both sexes? Late HMQ frequently wore one in Scotland. I'd have thought that covered the entire spectrum.😂Maybe mandate that only kilts may be worn as they are genderfree?😀

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I'd be worried that this would be an opportunity for different tartans (or should it be plaids?) for every gender.

MelodyMalone · 12/09/2024 18:56

LongtailedTitmouse · 12/09/2024 18:51

The length of skirt many girls feel forced by peer pressure to wear barely covers them. It would never cover a boy.

I don't even want to think about the horrible sight of a boy wearing one of the minuscule skirts favoured by all the girls at my daughter's old school shudder

No shorter than knee length skirts on the boys, please.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 12/09/2024 18:56

I'm not a fan of uniform full stop. But if we must have it, I'm beginning to think that the only way around all of this is to say everyone has to wear trousers (shorts an option in summer) and allow a variety of different cuts of trousers. Nobody thinks trousers are only for one particular sex, and there would be no 'short skirt' issue.

MelodyMalone · 12/09/2024 18:57

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 12/09/2024 18:56

I'm not a fan of uniform full stop. But if we must have it, I'm beginning to think that the only way around all of this is to say everyone has to wear trousers (shorts an option in summer) and allow a variety of different cuts of trousers. Nobody thinks trousers are only for one particular sex, and there would be no 'short skirt' issue.

I'd be in favour of this, actually. Trousers or shorts. No hot pants though 😄

Imicola · 12/09/2024 19:29

But…. Isn’t that totally contradictory. On the one hand, there is no girls and boys uniform items, but on the other those with trans identities should be allowed to wear uniform from the opposite ‘gender’….? How, if it is all supposed to be unisex, can that be possible ( necessary)?

Chersfrozenface · 12/09/2024 19:30

borntobequiet · 12/09/2024 18:55

I'd be worried that this would be an opportunity for different tartans (or should it be plaids?) for every gender.

Would need to get the Ministry of Tartan to do an affordable mass-market version of their suffragette kilt.

MistressIggi · 12/09/2024 19:30

Uniforms in Scottish state schools are not particularly strict anyway.

MelodyMalone · 12/09/2024 19:31

borntobequiet · 12/09/2024 18:55

I'd be worried that this would be an opportunity for different tartans (or should it be plaids?) for every gender.

In the colours of their five million different flags.

MelodyMalone · 12/09/2024 19:33

MistressIggi · 12/09/2024 19:30

Uniforms in Scottish state schools are not particularly strict anyway.

My daughter's school was wildly inconsistent. Nearly every girl in a skirt that showed their underwear, every day, but wear shoes that weren't 100% plain black and all hell broke loose.

DeanElderberry · 12/09/2024 19:39

MelodyMalone · 12/09/2024 18:57

I'd be in favour of this, actually. Trousers or shorts. No hot pants though 😄

Yes, one of the schools in our town has a 'black trousers, white shirts, black v neck jumper with school crest, black shoes' uniform for all and they look fine. Everything can be bought anywhere except the crest, which they get through the school. School breaks up for the summer at the end of May, so not much danger of heat.

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