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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sarah Owen - woman's hour

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Marchintospring · 12/09/2024 10:49

Sorry if there is already a thread

Wow.
So basically she hopes the debate has " moved on" from what is a woman". She then said woman's spaces were safe but went into say that anyone could be chucked out of a woman's refuge if they didn't behave ( implying that was the solution to trans woman being in there and causing problems). No mention that a trans woman could therefore also get an actual biological woman kicked out. So a biological man who shouldn't be in woman's space anyway could effectively displace a woman. Again .

she's still believes she's kind.

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Snowypeaks · 13/09/2024 09:01

fromorbit · 12/09/2024 18:47

Owen didn't mention a GRC though. She was way more vague than that. Because she wants to avoid the question. Only people are going to keep asking.

If she thinks men with a GRC are women legally that is a fair point. Up to a point as we know.

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Snowypeaks · 13/09/2024 09:04

MCW with a GRC are only "women" for certain legal purposes. There is no obligation on anybody to pretend they are not male.
Even Keir Starmer admitted that a GRC does not give MCW the right to use women's spaces or facilities.
But all this has been obscured by Stonewall law training.

Harassedevictee · 13/09/2024 12:18

What I found interesting is earlier in the conversation when talking about miscarriage Sarah repeatedly used the words woman and women. She knows exactly what a woman is when it comes to issues only affecting women due to their biology. The dissonance (hope that is the right word) is so obvious.

I would be happy for the select committee to discuss the issue in a respectful way as long as that means respecting women’s rights and not just transwomen's rights. Sadly, I suspect the Committee will carry on pretty much as it did under Caroline Noakes.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 13/09/2024 19:47

AlisonDonut · 12/09/2024 12:58

So when a woman gets a promotion with a pay increase the promotion is to status of non-woman if it goes past a certain wage? Is this published anywhere? Is this in Hansard? This is quite the news story!

And women who haven't been assaulted at all walking the streets are actually men? This is fascinating.

And those men who have been threatened while walking along a street are actually women? Woohoo, I'm trans!

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