Girlguiding looking for a head of safeguarding

[CheeseChamp]

https://girlguidinguk.ciphr-irecruit.com/Applicants/vacancy/417/Head-of-safeguarding-safety-and-wellbeing

Interesting description describing their members as 'women only'. Girls, surely.

FFS. What a disgrace.

I’m surprised GG is recruiting for anything - seriously, who would send their daughter to Guides (etc) now?

I agree with pp - GG used to be a fab, female-centred organisation, but apparently that’s no longer allowed….

I’m a guide leader and it isn’t like this at the grass roots level, I don’t know any men or boys who are involved in my area. HQ are totally out of touch and many aren’t from a guiding background- it’s really depressing and frustrating tbh. We pay so much on subs and to think of the salaries being paid on such nonsense 🤬. I had an issue with wheel chair access for a girl to a large scale regional guiding event and they couldn’t care less - no access to the dining area and the suggested solution was that she could eat somewhere else and they’d bring some food over - not inclusive at all! We didn’t go.

All the leaders I know (I know lots) are very sensible and put the interests of girls first. The policy for hq might be that if a gender distressed/questioning boy wants to join a unit and go camping they can share a tent, but in reality I’m not aware of it happening. I don’t know any leaders who would allow mixed sex tents (apart from anything it’s very much not our own interests to facilitate such a massive safeguarding risk - we’d be risking all sorts of trouble). We just wouldn’t go camping - it’s a massive amount of work. If such a child wanted to join my unit I’d probably just close it, I do it specifically to give girls a girl only space, it’s a lot of work and if it is no longer single sex so not much point. The sad thing is that TRAs win either way and women and girls lose out.

Agree. You can bet your house on it.

Gender ideology aside, how should the system work for children with DSDs in these types of organisations? My working knowledge of DSDs is sparse, but if some DSDs aren't usually picked up until puberty, how have the social issues these children face been managed before gender ideology came along? What's the ideal?

If this were Algeria (say) DSDs might not be picked up. Not so in the developed world. This would be picked up early. The bigger problem might be young pre-pubescent males IDing as girls and having done so since early childhood? Thankfully rare I assume.

All dsds are rare. In most of them the child will still identify as their genetic sex. So the chance of a male child identifying as a different sex and wanting to join guides is remote in the developed world.

Thank you for this.
I think most of us realised that GG were fatally compromised when they appointed a TW transactivist with a deeply inappropriate online presence involving whips and weapons as a District Commissioner:

https://www.whatisawoman.uk/MonicaSulley/

The person who brought all this in went on to work for Action for Children. You know, that charity that was supposed to be about looking after and safeguarding children.

You couldn't make this shit up.

It’s only a matter of time before they drop ‘girl’ and just become ‘Guiding’

They did that once before - went from the The Girl Guides Association to The Guide Association, eventually moving back to Girlguiding UK (then Girlguiding) because I. nobody knew who “The Guide Association” was & ii. everyone still referred to “the Girl Guides”. Girlguiding really doesn’t understand the power &/or value of its own brand &/or product; & continues to erode both.

The ableism, classism & racism alone means I’d not go back; but creating a nonsensical Promise simply to remove any trace of faith-based values only to demand obeisance to The New Religion? That’d be a hard no. I admit to having contemplated asking WAGGGS about The Rules (& any funding available…) to set up a single-sex organisation in the UK. Because Girlguiding are unwilling to provide that although UK Law permits it, so…

DSDs are rare. DSDs that could cause sex to be wrongly identified at birth are very rare. Cases in which sex actually is misidentified at birth, and the mistake not spotted well before puberty, are astoundingly rare -especially within a modern medical system in a country not known for genetic clustering of these conditions.

In the incredibly unlikely event of it happening to a Brownie, the question of whether they might need to move up to the Scouts instead of the Guides is probably quite low on their list of concerns. I would hope the Guides would deal with it with tact and sensitivity, but it's not a common enough eventuality to need a dedicated policy, any more than they need one for a meteorite hitting the roof of the Guide hut.