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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Girlguiding looking for a head of safeguarding

37 replies

CheeseChamp · 06/09/2024 23:35

https://girlguidinguk.ciphr-irecruit.com/Applicants/vacancy/417/Head-of-safeguarding-safety-and-wellbeing

Interesting description describing their members as 'women only'. Girls, surely.

Head of safeguarding, safety and wellbeing

https://girlguidinguk.ciphr-irecruit.com/Applicants/vacancy/417/Head-of-safeguarding-safety-and-wellbeing

OP posts:
LoobiJee · 06/09/2024 23:52

Girlguiding values the differences that a diverse workforce brings and is committed to inclusivity, and to employing and supporting a diverse workforce. Girlguiding is proud to be part of the Stonewall Diversity Champions programme, a member of the Business Disability Forum, and a member of Time to Change.While Girlguiding’s young members may be women only, our staff team is mixed gender. We welcome applicants from all backgrounds.

PollyDactyl · 06/09/2024 23:53

One wouldn't know unless one KNEW.

Very disingenuous.

MarieDeGournay · 07/09/2024 00:25

'Girlguiding looking for a head of safeguarding'
'Girlguarding' for short. We wish...* *

StealthSpinach · 07/09/2024 00:51

LoobiJee · 06/09/2024 23:52

Girlguiding values the differences that a diverse workforce brings and is committed to inclusivity, and to employing and supporting a diverse workforce. Girlguiding is proud to be part of the Stonewall Diversity Champions programme, a member of the Business Disability Forum, and a member of Time to Change.While Girlguiding’s young members may be women only, our staff team is mixed gender. We welcome applicants from all backgrounds.

Stonewall, mixed “gender”, etc.

Anyone applying for that position must be either an ideologue or oblivious to the real dangers - either way I wouldn’t allow a DD anywhere near GG.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 07/09/2024 02:03

While Girlguiding’s young members may be women only

Have they changed policy, then, and stopped admitting boys who identify as girls?

PatatiPatatras · 07/09/2024 06:16

They said women instead of female whilst talking about young members and then used the term mixed gender.
They definitely have boys in the younger years.

I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't stonewall diversity champions driving this but one of those munchhausen parent volunteers using stonewall as a crutch.

LargeSquareRock · 07/09/2024 06:20

They will either appoint a fetish-driven AGP man like Mridul Wadhwa
who can change the culture to meet his own desires, or a fresh out of University of DEI they/them woman who will rout out wrongthink with youthful zeal.

Nittersing · 07/09/2024 06:26

Girl Guides in Australia is still single sex. I find it really odd that it isn't elsewhere. It doesn't seem that safe.

LargeSquareRock · 07/09/2024 06:40

Nittersing · 07/09/2024 06:26

Girl Guides in Australia is still single sex. I find it really odd that it isn't elsewhere. It doesn't seem that safe.

No they are not. I wrote to Queensland Guides in 2019 and was forwarded this policy.

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LargeSquareRock · 07/09/2024 06:42

Karyn Lisignoli was sacked by Girl Guides Western Australia for questioning this policy.

www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/cancel-culture-girl-guides-ceo-sacked-over-transgender-tweet/news-story/b9bfa1a2ceb33f26ba57a972fc504e26

LargeSquareRock · 07/09/2024 06:45

Just to be absolutely clear, in Australia, as it is in the UK, not only can boys join and share sleeping and showering accommodations with your daughter, a man who identifies as a woman can supervise your daughter’s showering and sleeping a a accommodations.

ruffler45 · 07/09/2024 06:52

Girl guides DEI needs entirely new role that needs 35 hr/wk and paid £69K, how did they manage the "problem" before !!!!

Must be serious for that level of input in the future...

anyolddinosaur · 07/09/2024 09:26

How to frame your ad to ensure you dont get anyone who puts safeguarding girls first.

GeorgeOrwellsTurningGrave · 07/09/2024 09:33

Nittersing · 07/09/2024 06:26

Girl Guides in Australia is still single sex. I find it really odd that it isn't elsewhere. It doesn't seem that safe.

Oh no it isn't.

Perhaps you should read up on the Tickle Vs Giggle case to see what Australian law makes of single sex spaces. (Spoiler: they don't exist).

AlisonDonut · 07/09/2024 09:39

Pure queer theory.

Girls become women and so do the boys and men.

WickedSerious · 07/09/2024 10:02

LargeSquareRock · 07/09/2024 06:45

Just to be absolutely clear, in Australia, as it is in the UK, not only can boys join and share sleeping and showering accommodations with your daughter, a man who identifies as a woman can supervise your daughter’s showering and sleeping a a accommodations.

What could possibly go wrong?

Chersfrozenface · 07/09/2024 10:07

LargeSquareRock · 07/09/2024 06:45

Just to be absolutely clear, in Australia, as it is in the UK, not only can boys join and share sleeping and showering accommodations with your daughter, a man who identifies as a woman can supervise your daughter’s showering and sleeping a a accommodations.

And parents sending their daughters to a Guides activity won't know whether or not that is the case, because GG won't tell them.

mb2512cat · 07/09/2024 22:26

So some thoughts on the wording that GG have used in this job description. I’m an ex Leader who was a District Commissioner so oversaw recruitment of volunteers including DBS. I’ve monitored the language GG have been using. They have a document called the Unit Roles document and it shows what roles are available to who and it was my ‘bible’ when managing our volunteers and girl members. For the whole time I’d been in GG, this document listed which roles were open to females only. In early 2023, they updated it to say ‘women’ only. I presume this is because they view that ‘female’ means only female and the definition of ‘women’ can include males too. But the problem is that the document lists all the girl roles too: brownies, guides etc. So now you have the perverse situation where GG are now describing them as ‘women’ even though they are under 18. So hence the wording in the job description.

In summary, Girlguiding don’t believe that girls and women exist in material reality. That males who say they are female are indeed female and should be treated as such.

If you haven’t been following it, the tribunal of the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre was illuminating: two volunteer members of Girlguiding Scotland were employees of ERCC and gave evidence. And one employee of Girlguiding Scotland was a trustee of ERCC. It just reflects how deep gender ideology is embedded in the organisation. I had a zoom call with my head of region to discuss my concerns after GG posted on Trans Day of Visibility and it was evident she was a fully paid up TRA (professional day-job in the NHS to boot).

i can’t in all good conscience volunteer for GG and my daughters won’t be joining.

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MollyButton · 07/09/2024 22:32

And could this be why Girl Guides is in financial crisis.
Whenever consulted it was made clear that Guides did not want to be mixed or admit boys. So now it's become mixed by the back door and is no longer a safe empowering space for girls.

LastTrainEast · 07/09/2024 22:56

Let's hope they find a nice drag queen willing to take it on.

theeyeofdoe · 07/09/2024 23:04

LargeSquareRock · 07/09/2024 06:45

Just to be absolutely clear, in Australia, as it is in the UK, not only can boys join and share sleeping and showering accommodations with your daughter, a man who identifies as a woman can supervise your daughter’s showering and sleeping a a accommodations.

they can.
My unit do not do any over nights with another unit for this reason.
The scout association also have the same policies.

LoobiJee · 07/09/2024 23:04

“In summary, Girlguiding don’t believe that girls and women exist in material reality.”

They’ve decided to treat “girl” as a mixed sex category and to treat “woman” as a mixed sex category.

They’ve decided that their original purpose as an organisation is no longer relevant, necessary or justified.

But they won’t be truthful about that to the members of the biological sex they were originally set up to serve.

They’ll take the money and unpaid labour from that biological sex. And pay themselves £70k jobs with the proceeds. But they won’t pay women and girls the courtesy and respect of being truthful in return.

LoopyLou67 · 07/09/2024 23:09

They’ll take the money and unpaid labour from that biological sex. And pay themselves £70k jobs with the proceeds. But they won’t pay women and girls the courtesy and respect of being truthful in return.

IMO they also shit on the lower level staff and do nothing to respect or empower them either, even going as far as ignoring you in public. I’ve also witnessed harassment from male staff that was brushed under the carpet. GG can fuck right off.

PatatiPatatras · 08/09/2024 00:02

It'd be really unfair if gg stopped because of blokes. They've been wanting to stop women congregating for decades and they may have finally succeeded in running yet another female only service into the ground or making women uncomfortable to use it.

lonelywater · 08/09/2024 00:05

FFS. Do these people live in a bucket? When even Stonewall and Good laugh project throw in the towel you might suppose someone there could tell which way the wind is blowing? Or maybe not.