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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I'm feeling overwhelmed about the world for women right now.

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NeverMindTheBackProblems · 05/09/2024 01:02

I'm just reading a news article about the horrific case of Gisele Pelicot. I can't actually put into words how I feel about it, it's just beyond horrific.
Women's voices silenced in Afghanistan. Literally not allowed to speak.
Payton McNabb being paralysed and having brain damage from being hit in the face from a ball hit from a transgender male.
Imane Khelif wearing a groin guard and sitting on the shoulders of his crew despite supposedly being a muslim woman.
Valentino Petrillo and Caster Semenya being natal women despite having fathered children.
All of the "this never happens" sex offenders giving advice and guidance to governments.
And yes, let's do something about VAWG but never actually doing anything while women continue to die at the hands of men. The latest UN figures show that 137 women across the world are killed every day by a partner or member of their own family – a total of 50,000 women a year murdered by people they know and should be able to trust. 80% of murders were committed by men in 2017.
I'm fucking sick of it. And I'm so fucking angry.

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TheaBrandt · 07/09/2024 06:58

What I find utterly baffling is the rightful carefulness of speech now how you can be prosecuted for using offensive racist / transphobic terms - rightly so.

Yet a billion dollar industry based on abusing women frequently employing misogynistic slurs (teen slurs etc) is given a free pass?! Don’t the laws of safety at work and hate crime language apply in that industry?

TheaBrandt · 07/09/2024 07:02

Remember reading a comment by a Jewish feminist years ago - that a young women seeing porn feels the same feelings a Jewish person must have felt on seeing nazi propaganda.

I remember the visceral horror as a teenage girl of seeing my worst nightmares enacted on people that looked like me. But no one seems to care about that.

Disturbia81 · 07/09/2024 10:39

TheaBrandt · 07/09/2024 06:58

What I find utterly baffling is the rightful carefulness of speech now how you can be prosecuted for using offensive racist / transphobic terms - rightly so.

Yet a billion dollar industry based on abusing women frequently employing misogynistic slurs (teen slurs etc) is given a free pass?! Don’t the laws of safety at work and hate crime language apply in that industry?

So weird isn't it. Society has come forwards in so many ways but then we have porn and the abuse of women that has got so much worse and is just accepted.

TheaBrandt · 07/09/2024 10:56

Why does that industry get a free pass? If you shouted “teen sluts” at school girls you could be arrested yet men merrily make films of similar names which are freely available with no consequence? Aren’t those films all hate speech?

Iamnotalemming · 07/09/2024 11:03

INeedAPensieve · 05/09/2024 08:34

It's relentless and depressing. See also the other thread about men hating us.

I try to articulate this to DH he just doesn't get it and will not engage if I push it. For eg when the young girls were murdered at the dance class I said more VAWG and he just said no it's just a mentally unwell person. I said no, the murderer is male. DH changed subject and said why must you always make it about that?

I was v mad at him that day. He just prefers not to think about it. I said to him; it's your sex class that's the problem, your sex class that needs to do something. The issue is this will never change because even good men like DH are not going to push to change the system. They'll shrug and say oh that's an awful story but won't make the overarching connection that we women do that this is, and always will be, a male problem.

@INeedAPensieve interesting, I had a similar conversation with my DH about that case. I was saying that VAWG / misogyny needs to be treated as an aggrevating offence in crimes, like race and homophobia and his instinctive reaction was to question whether that offence was truly a VAWG offence rather than just an attack by an unwell person. Then he agreed with me and said only if there was an equivalent male protection. When I said I could not think of a single instance where a woman had attacked a man because he was a man and having a hatred of men he got cross with me.

It's quite difficult to discuss these things even with the nice ones because the automatic reaction is defensiveness.

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 07/09/2024 11:13

When I said I could not think of a single instance where a woman had attacked a man because he was a man and having a hatred of men he got cross with me.

Back in the day, the male riposte to that was Solanas' SCUM Manifesto and her attempted murder of Warhol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCUM_Manifesto

That one case was their thought-terminating cliché for decades…

SCUM Manifesto - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCUM_Manifesto

Tooting33 · 07/09/2024 11:24

It's quite difficult to discuss these things even with the nice ones because the automatic reaction is defensiveness

I think that's because it's not a productive conversation unless solutions are being suggested or actions they can take to make things better, although there's a systematic problem I think it has to be addressed through tackling specific cases of injustice.

TheaBrandt · 07/09/2024 11:33

I kind of see their point if they live a blameless life it’s not their fault if other men do these horrific things. What is an individual good man supposed to do?

Dh to be fair does all he can in words and actions and frankly it’s cost him professionally. His face doesn’t fit in the lads club at the top of his firm. He will speak up and walk away - it’s not the easy path for a man.

Toseland · 07/09/2024 11:39

Labour's prisoner release scheme doesn't care about women - this is shocking -
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13823333/Keir-Starmer-set-free-domestic-abusers-Labour-governments-new-early-release-scheme.html?ito=native_share_article-top

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 07/09/2024 11:46

Toseland · 07/09/2024 11:39

Sir Keir Starmer previously told the BBC no high-risk prisoners will be released, maintaining that risk assessment procedures will be put in place to prevent this.
Despite this, the Prime Minister confessed the risk could not be entirely quashed, saying: 'We have put a threshold on risk, very much bearing in mind the victims in this.'

I would like the threshold calculation to be published, dear PM Starmer.
I would like the Royal Statistical Society and appropriate organisations to pore over it and run those calculations.
Please and thank you.

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