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An entire article on Endometriosis without saying woman, or female, once. Not from the usual suspects though - from New Scientist

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TorghunKhan · 04/09/2024 15:23

https://archive.ph/0fvnY

"individuals of reproductive age"

"samples from people with the condition"

"affects about 10 per cent of people who menstruate"

The link to contact New Scientist - who of ALL PEOPLE - should know the importance of using THE RIGHT WORDS - is here:

https://www.newscientist.com/contact-us/

Please, write a letter to the editor. If a dozen people write, they will publish something.

Contact us | New Scientist

https://www.newscientist.com/contact-us

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TorghunKhan · 04/09/2024 15:29

Same day, same publication, pregnant shark eaten by other shark, refers to the pregnant shark as female. https://archive.ph/hu48Y

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StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 04/09/2024 15:34

Sadly, New Scientist has been a usual suspect for some time. These words in a search engine will show some relevant MN threads (easier than going through AS).

mumsnet "new scientist" language

Iamiams · 04/09/2024 15:39

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41588-024-01873-w

That archive is a bit messed up so I can’t read all of it but I think the link above is the original research where they mention women throughout.

lcakethereforeIam · 04/09/2024 15:48

There's a few more articles like this one

https://archive.ph/6yCoK

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2433685-periods-are-starting-younger-and-were-struggling-to-pin-down-why/

That avoid mentioning the 'w', or in this case 'g', word. Oddly they're all gathered together under 'Women's Health'.

I think writing or emailing will just see your complaint being dismissed as a coming from a transphobic bigot. The recipients at New Scientist will get a cosy feeling from how much more inclusive, how kind and evolved they are. At best you'll get a patronising response that could have been generated by a GI AI. I can't see them changing until the culture that incubates this nonsense changes and we're obviously not there yet.

Perhaps if you're on X, and they've tweeted the article, and you're not blocked yet, and are allowed to respond, calling them out publicly might be worth a punt.

But thank you OP, it would be infuriating if it wasn't so predictable.

Periods are starting younger and we're struggling to pin down why

Menstruation is occurring earlier and earlier in life for younger generations in the Western world, but researchers are puzzled as to why

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2433685-periods-are-starting-younger-and-were-struggling-to-pin-down-why

TorghunKhan · 04/09/2024 16:21

My letter to the editor:

"Letter to the Editor

Dear Editor,

Words and their definitions are critical, especially in scientific writing, yet an NS article on endometriosis failed to use the word “female” even once. But, in an article about a pregnant shark, the term “female” was freely used, despite the fact that no male shark could possibly become pregnant.

As a publication that prides itself on adhering to scientific accuracy, I find this inconsistency both perplexing and problematic. Endometriosis is a condition that exclusively affects females, specifically women and girls—human females. But, the article chose to use vague terms like “people with the condition,”, or even “People who menstruate".

We cannot afford to obscure biological realities with cultural ambiguity, particularly in a scientific context. If we can confidently describe Pluto as a “dwarf planet” - because definitions matter, then we must also be as precise in identifying the biological sex of those affected by medical conditions like endometriosis.

It is disappointing to see New Scientist refuse to use scientifically accurate terminology in one article while adhering to it in another. This lack of consistency undermines the trust readers place in your publication for factual, evidence-based reporting. Science is grounded in clear definitions, and it is essential that your publication reflects this.

I urge you to maintain the same standard of scientific accuracy across all your articles, especially when discussing topics related to human biology and medical conditions."

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LadyGabriella · 04/09/2024 16:22

Madness.

SingingSands · 04/09/2024 16:26

My brain is tired so forgive me but... why are NS doing this? What harm does the word "woman" cause? As in, really... What actual harm?

I get the "not all people who mestruate are women, but all women who menstruate are people" saying (I don't like it but it is commonly thrown around as some kind of gotcha). But seriously. Obfuscation of correct descriptive and scientific language to spare the ... feelings?... of people is just. So. Tiring.

I reckon that millions of people hate the word "moist" but don't have a panic attack and mental breakdown at reading it.

Urgh. Ignore me. I'm just venting. And tired of this BS!

Lightdarkshade · 04/09/2024 16:38

More to the point it's factually incorrect: endometriosis can occur in females of reproductive ago who don't menstruate and also in post menopausal women.
which means that , So as not to exclude trans men, they have excluded all these other women with endometriosis. Who I strongly suspect far outnumber the trans men.
It would be far more accurate to say "people who menstruate, who once menstruated and and all those could potentially menstruate if they didn't have something medically awry with their reproductive system."
"biologically female" would do the job just as well
women, even better

Cerialkiller · 04/09/2024 16:41

I thought that, while very unusual, men could get endometriosis? So they could have perfectly correctly put 'almost all cases are found in women' or something and been scientifically correct, informative to the effected group AND pandering to the TRA.

Lightdarkshade · 04/09/2024 16:50

Chat gpt (which is normally very trans friendly)

No, men cannot get endometriosis. Endometriosis is a condition that occurs when tissue similar to the lining of the uterus (the endometrium) grows outside the uterus, often on the ovaries, fallopian tubes, and other pelvic organs. Since men do not have a uterus or endometrial tissue, they cannot develop endometriosis.
Endometriosis is specific to individuals with a uterus, typically affecting women of reproductive age. However, rare cases have been reported where men taking high doses of estrogen as part of hormone therapy for prostate cancer or gender transition have developed endometrial-like tissue, though these cases are extremely uncommon and not classified as typical endometriosis.

Lightdarkshade · 04/09/2024 16:52

So they're trying to include biological women who feel they are male and not include trans women (so as not to make them feel lacking..?). And in so doing they have excluded post menopausal females and females of reproductive ago who don't menstruate but do have endometriosis who are the actual peoplemaffected.
In suppose the post menopausal are just old biddys and don't count?
FFS

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 04/09/2024 17:01

Cerialkiller · 04/09/2024 16:41

I thought that, while very unusual, men could get endometriosis? So they could have perfectly correctly put 'almost all cases are found in women' or something and been scientifically correct, informative to the effected group AND pandering to the TRA.

If NS used the phrase, "people who menstruate" then my assumption would be that this discussion of endometriosis does not include those men who unfortunate to develop this condition.

Some discussion associated with a previous issue. The number identified there was 29 documented cases of men (worldwide) with endometriosis and there's a plausible association with taking oestrogen as treatment for prostate issues.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4943361-emma-barnett-interviews-endometriosis-south-coast-steph-richards-and-trustee-jodie-hughes

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12753263/Is-word-looking-woman-Womans-Hour-presenter-Emma-Barnett-clashes-transgender-CEO-endometriosis-charity-not-using-word-woman-new-role-29-men-suffer-disease.html

Emma Barnett interviews Endometriosis South Coast Steph Richards and Trustee Jodie Hughes | Mumsnet

You can listen here - it starts around the 22 minute mark. [[https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001scsj https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001scsj]]

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4943361-emma-barnett-interviews-endometriosis-south-coast-steph-richards-and-trustee-jodie-hughes

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