In Ireland - Four Gardai needed to arrest Enoch Burke

[TheSandgroper]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f5sDGzcPBx8&pp=ygULRW5vY2ggYnVya2U%3D

All power to the man.

Read the stuff on wikipedia about them. The gender issue is one tiny detail of the family policy of being above and outside the law (but trying to use it to advance their ends).

The point is, Villagetoraiseachild, that it just so happens that amongst the Burke's many beliefs, one of them happens to coincide with GC beliefs. I think I'm safe in saying that probably none of the rest of their beliefs coincide, and the way they choose to express their beliefs is hugely disruptive; they haven't been 'backed into a corner', they live in their own corner, and seem to come out disrupting whenever they do come out of their corner!

As a PP said, my enemy's enemy is not necessarily my friend, and the Burke Family are no friends to gender-critical feminists. So I hope The Countess would agree with Enoch Burke on the specific issue he had at work, but would not champion him more broadly.

The way to deal with his issue at work is through the appropriate channels, the employment tribunal.
The repeated court cases and jail time are about contempt of court, not his grievance with his employer. He could make it all stop tomorrow, and the carry on with his employment tribunal, but he chooses this performance instead.

I agree that the outcome of a Forstater-like appeal in an Irish court would be interesting..

Thanks for that@DeanElderberry I have just done that and much of it I have seen before from a possible previous reading. I do find them somewhat intriguing as a family as have never come across their like before.

They are obviously highly educated and a huge amount of their collective energy appears to be used for campaigning. But I don't understand what their endgame is. I can't see that they are benefitting financially from their stance and am guessing they see themselves as moral crusaders with a mission to fight what they see as the good fight.
It could be that if I was living in Ireland and on the ground so to speak I might see the matter very differently and get where they are coming from and/or find them excessively litigious and extreme.

Thanks @MarieDeGournay that is helpful.
I read from a report on Sky today that his case is in an ongoing appeal and so it's likely he is undermining his own case.
Maybe he is just going the full hair shirt/ most martyred of martyr's route.
Prison is no party though.

I have to say that's a superb paragraph in the Wiki article- when the head of the Westboro lot think you've 'gone too far', you're way past Dagenham.

You’re welcome @TheSandgroper - if you’re not familiar with The Burkes you are fortunate indeed it’s easy to be taken in by line being pushed that he’s being persecuted by The Woke Mafia for taking a bold stand against gender ideology (etc). Rather than it just being more shameless-shameful shenanigans.

I take your point @NitroNine and maybe you are right.

They certainly appear unpopular and for sure I would not have stood with them on the same sex marriage protest or against choice protest.
But on this issue I would. If I had a child at that school I reckon I'd be grateful someone was prepared to speak out.

Very few men are willing to make a principled and public stand on this issue, many because they cannot financially or emotionally afford to and many because they know in the current climate they'll get vilified to the back of beyond due to the degree of ideological capture. This is why Irish men like Graham Linehan and Andrew Doyle are so greatly appreciated in their willingness to do so by gender critical women.

Since I recently Googled the Burkes again, You Tube has sent me some of their shorts. It's clear they understand fully that pronouns are the thin end of the wedge and that this stuff matters.

I get that the optics of his/their campaign/protest aren't the best .
So much more could be said but I'll leave it there.

The Burkes see everything through the lens of Pentecostalism. Everyone else has it wrong - including other Christians. There may be some other underlying cause for their fanaticism. Or causes. But ....I'm no psychiatrist.

Possibly a family-wide case of oppositional defiant disorder 🤷‍♀️

God only knows how the parents put smacht on them as kids if they were even half as thran as they are now.

As far as I understand it, the Burkes want to impose a form of Puritan religious law on everyone. They seem to labour under the misapprehension that they are above the law of the land, because God told them so.

@UtopiaPlanitia
I’m going with 1. putting the literal fear of God into to them & 2. “spare the rod & spoil the child”.