3 questions for GC women

[ChirpyFinch]

As the title says, three questions for the women in this chat.

1. Do you think the majority of people are gender critical, and why/why not?

2. Globally, the right wing is more vocally gender critical than the left. They are also far more likely to be regressive on a range of women’s issues like abortion and anti-gay. Why do you think they agree with GCs on this one issue but disagree on so much else (if you think they do?)

3. How many trans people do you estimate there are globally?

I'm expecting some variant of transhumanism. Siri will have more human rights than we do.

Are you so entrenched in your beliefs that you’re unable to accept or understand that intelligent people may have considered the question and come to an alternative view point than your own?

I don’t understand why many GC posters on this forum think that holding GC views gives them a monopoly on intelligence.

Tbh if someone thinks that biology is not what makes people genetically male or female then I don't think it's unreasonable to wonder if they're not all that bright.

The term transgender includes those who are non-binary. It is not limited to (in your words) men who become women or vice versa.

Where does the conclusion that those who are/were third gender are ‘men who fail to live up to […] masculine gender stereotypes’ come from?

And finally, I don’t know but my guess is that there are more young women and girls who openly have gender dysphoria because Gen Z is a vastly more accepting and inclusive generation than those that have come before.

Tbh if someone is unable to engage in debate without questioning other people’s intelligence then I think that’s quite disappointing.

Third Genders aren’t the same thing as Transgender - read about the history of the Hijra or the Fa’afafine for the homophobia aspect - amazed you are so unaware of the reality.

Gen Z is a vastly more accepting and inclusive generation than those that have come before

Perhaps! But Gen Alpha are looking at their older siblings and schoolmates and celebs such as Sam Smith and concluding that Gender is a load of old tosh so we should be back to reality soon.

Are you are Creationist?

No, In my experience people were more accepting of gender non-conformity when Hair Metal was a big thing and internet porn wasn't so ubiquitous. I suspect that the latter plays an important role in young women/girls rejecting their 'womanhood'. I also think that the intolerence (by those who conversely claim to be progressive and accepting) in general discourse around the topic of sex and gender has ramped up hugely since 2014.

Elle, don't you realise that the very fact that you even know these people exist/existed means they were not seen as the opposite sex - otherwise they'd just have been woman and men with no special names!

It's a completely different construct to the Western transgender TWAW / TMAM concept where the sex of the body is seen as an irrevant detail and the sex of the mind is what determines ones manhood or womanhood, with no limitations or distinctions made between female women and male women.

As others have noted these additional social genders are something that evolves in very socially gendered societies to workaround the times where real life doesn't fit the constructed genders, like widows with no sons, or effeminate or gay men that undermine the patriachial self image. A society without sexist constructs and limitations should have no need of them.

Given that, I invite you to consider why it might be that trans gender identities are surging so much in our culture right now.

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I can thoroughly recommend this important thread that examines how Gender Dysphoria as a diagnosis lacks all psychological credibility and how easy it has been for bad faith adults to use online and social contagion to gaslight a generation of children with the lie that sex change is not only possible but desirable for them:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5147164-does-gender-dysphoria-actually-exist

The motivation of the OPs odd posts pass me by but thank you to so many women for affording them a respect in responding that was, as usual, not replicated by the OP.

Are you?

That is something I have always wondered tbh.

Gen Z is a vastly more accepting and inclusive generation than those that have come before.

Oh my! Tell me how young you are without without tellng me how young you are.

I'm Gen X. They said that about us when we were young. Then they said it about the millenials when they were young. They say it about Gen Z now, and as Gen Z get older and start to deal with the reality of life, they will say it about Gen A instead.

I'm not old enough to know what was being said about the generations before me but I'm sure it was similar.

Because it's not about the generations being different, it's about things that seem easy and ready for change when you are young look very different when you see how many of the people who said all the right things in their twenties somehow still managed to take advantage of all the old structures and norms they claimed to reject. And that makes you very wary of people who tell you you don't need the old protections against men and sexism and homophobia and so one because new people are just so much better than the old ones.

I think I prefer the members of Gen A I know, DD included, who don’t consider it to be a ‘load of old tosh’ at all!

Not raising your daughter to be a feminist then? Seems a bit old fashioned! Goes with the Creationism tho.

Any chance you could share the research you've mentioned on other threads that you've done on these issues which convinced you of the righteousness of the trans political agenda as opposed to gender critical feminism, @ElleWoods15? Thanks in advance.

So what if transgender includes non-binary? Where are all the middle-aged women who claim to be men or not to be of either sex, in comparable numbers to teens and young women?

Where does the conclusion that those who are/were third gender are ‘men who fail to live up to […] masculine gender stereotypes’ come from?
This is what the Prime Minister of Samoa thought about Laurel Hubbard competing in the women's Olympic weightlifting competition:
Speaking to the media yesterday, the Prime Minister said he was shocked when he first heard about it.
“This fa’afafine or man should have never been allowed by the Pacific Games Council President to lift with the women," he said. "I was shocked when I first heard about it."
https://www.samoaobserver.ws/category/samoa/45971

Awww this is as good as getting ID’d in Waitrose!

Is it so hard to comprehend that an old lady who’s been around the block can possibly have done her reading and come to a different conclusion to you?

Those who are GC don’t have a monopoly on feminism any more than they have a monopoly on intelligence, soz.

Not getting the relevance of your point?

Yes.

Which is why I assume you have a belief akin to a religion (being ‘born in the wrong body’ is impossible if you believe in Darwinism/Evolution).

It really isn’t if you think about it.

The Prime Minister of Samoa said Fa’afafine (Samoa’s third gender) are Men.