Neil Gaiman Accused Of Sexual Assault Pt II

[hihelenhi]

As we're nearly at the end of the first thread, let's make sure we keep the topic current.

There have been five women now who have spoken to podcasts about the predatory behaviour of Neil Gaiman.

First thread here:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5112128-neil-gaiman-accused-of-sexual-assault

1. There are others.
2. Women who've been raped by someone they admire or like often don't want to admit to themselves that it was rape.

I don't know anything about this man. I'm too old to be interested in comics.

So don't comment on what you don't know about.

I doubt any of it stands up in a court of law. So why does someone lose his job and living?

gosh

let's hope if you're ever exploited by someone with power over you others are more sympathetic than you.

because he's creepy and behaves in a way that would lose you your normal office job

works for me

You are accusing someone of rape. An extremely serious allegation. Prove it.

Are you now?

You don't surprise me.

Have you listened to the other women's accounts? There are multiple similar stories. So it isn't just one woman. There are explicit mentions of where a woman has said "no" to sex with him and he has done it anyway. And did you read the Vulture article? There is far more detail.

Sex without explicit consent is rape, yes. Sex gained under coercive methods can sometimes also be classed as rape.

Are you cool with the abusive power dynamics? I find it concerning that you don't seem to "get" that this is worrying and why. As I said, you sound either very naive or a Gaiman fan.

Another PP asked you the following. Care to respond?

he doesn't deny having sex with an employee 40 years his junior. that is undisputed and is enough frankly for me to judge him to fuck.
he's also not denied the BDSM stuff either. Happy to judge him as someone who likes to hurt others and is therefore not a good person on the basis of that too.
I also believe that he groomed and coerced women into having sex they didn't want, but even if you don't believe that, isn't the undisputed stuff bad enough?

Sorry, but I've got no time for enablers.

Ah she was a 'dim sounding adult'.

That's OK then, is it? You don't believe that adults can be coerced? Especially by someone decades older, world famous and rich. That she was depending on for her accommodation and employment (why did Gaiman pick a penniless, homeless young woman to care for his kid instead of employing a qualified nanny? Hmmm I wonder)

This is just a recycling of the old 'she was asking for it, in that short skirt/ walking home alone/ going back to his house' arguments isn't it?

Nasty.

What are you on about? He's been publicly accused of rape by several women.

That accusation has still happened, whatever anyone here does or doesn't say.

So this man should be in prison. Let's see if justice takes its course.

Ah you’re a Gaiman apologist. “Dim sounding woman”? Nasty.

Freelancing carries that risk.

Actually, Tortoise Media accused him of rape, but never mind accuracy...

Most rapes are considered by the CPS to "not stand up in a court of law" so they aren't prosecuted. It's nothing to be smug about.

I'm not

I'm accusing him of being a creepy fucker who would lose his office job for the behaviour he has displayed

he does not dispute this behaviour (namely sleeping with an employee young enough to be his grand daughter and enjoying hurting and demeaning people)

"He's been publicly accused of rape." But not arrested so far. News Of The Screws.

I don't have to "prove it". As we know, that is for the police. And it has been reported to the police. There is a lot more to it than that though. Which you'd know if you'd actually listened to all of it.

YOU are here accusing multiple women of lying about both rape and coercive abuse by a man with far more money and power over them than they had, who we know used NDAs to silence them, and about whom there have been "stories" for years.

I think grooming and assaulting women is serious. I think claiming they are lying is serious.

YOU "prove it.|

As I say, it would help if you'd actually listened to/read the whole thing and the accounts of multiple women, not just one person (who you have chosen to insult as "dim sounding". Is victim-blaming something you think gives you the moral high ground?)

It would also help if you had some knowledge of grooming and abuse dynamics. Which you clearly lack.

One of the things that made me most angry when I served on the jury of a rapist was the realisation that had the victim been someone like me, the rapist would almost certainly have been persuaded to plead guilty. As it was she was a 'dim sounding' alcoholic. Homeless at the time. Extremely vulnerable. And yet all that meant she was far less likely to get the justice she deserved when she should have been better protected. Fuck right off. But she did get justice, and these women will too.

but has admitted having sex with an employee young enough to be his grand daughter and indulging in abusive behaviour towards women

you cool with this?

It is also not just about being accused of rape. The issue with Gaiman is about far more than one incident.

Clearly you are fine with all that. Or haven't bothered to find out.

I'm wondering why the girl in the hot tub texted her mate to say she had great, hot sex with this bloke and then says she was raped. What a loada cobblers.

And the 8 other women are making it up as well? There is a clear pattern of disgusting, abusive behaviour over many years from many different sources. You go ahead and victim blame if it makes you feel safer 🙄

yikes

the mask comes off with a vengeance! how's that empathy coming along @YourAmplePlumPoster ?

@YourAmplePlumPoster

It's not about you, or us. No one cares what you reckon about it, or is weeping over Gaiman losing work.

We don't have to prove anything.