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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Can Kamala protect women?

109 replies

WandsOut · 24/08/2024 11:41

Seems to be a lot of support for her from female friends but then what about her support for men in women's prisons...

How influenced is she by the current Biden administration? Will she be listening to Rachel Levine? What will she actually do for women if she can't define what a woman is?

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ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 25/08/2024 08:47

Why people do not question she is not giving interviews or be questioned but choosing to say whoever she choose to put out there?

Cos it's For The Greater Good? Who knows. Makes no sense to me.

I found RFK Jr's speech sobering. But I imagine even saying this is WRONG

x.com/robertkennedyjr/status/1827173263115743410?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

PaterPower · 25/08/2024 09:44

The Democrats didn’t care enough about a woman’s right to an abortion to, you know, ACTUALLY protect it when they had the opportunities (and their were several times, from Clinton on, where they had senate majorities and could have pushed a bill through to cement the right).

Bader-Ginsburg didn’t retire when she should have, choosing to die in post, which opened the door for Trump to change the political bias in the SC. The direction of travel on Roe vs Wade was clear, and successive Dem administrations chose to ignore it.

PaterPower · 25/08/2024 09:52

KH isn’t going to do anything very much in office if she / the Dems can’t also swing at least small majorities in the two houses.

If she, as is likely, ends up facing a Republican dominated Senate then her chances of getting abortion rights (or almost anything else even vaguely ‘liberal’) onto the statute book are almost zero.

OvaHere · 25/08/2024 10:03

The only thing any of these people care about, Republican or Democrat, is power and keeping that power.

Takoneko · 25/08/2024 10:30

PaterPower · 25/08/2024 09:44

The Democrats didn’t care enough about a woman’s right to an abortion to, you know, ACTUALLY protect it when they had the opportunities (and their were several times, from Clinton on, where they had senate majorities and could have pushed a bill through to cement the right).

Bader-Ginsburg didn’t retire when she should have, choosing to die in post, which opened the door for Trump to change the political bias in the SC. The direction of travel on Roe vs Wade was clear, and successive Dem administrations chose to ignore it.

I’m sure there’s lots of Democrats kicking themselves that they didn’t do that but federal law can also be vacated by a SC court ruling and would have been simply repealed the second republicans took control of congress anyway. The right would have been no more entrenched that way.

I also think you overstate the Democrats opportunities to do this. Clinton, Biden and Obama each had 2 years of united government. So in the last 32 years there have been 6 years of united Democratic government.

There is just no way that Clinton or Obama could have got that kind of legislation through. Abortion and contraception almost sunk the affordable care act for Obama and he had to make compromises to get it through.

None of the Democrat presidents has realistically had the political capital to do this.

Takoneko · 25/08/2024 10:44

@PaterPower Everything I’ve seen so far in the polls suggests that Democrats will keep control of the senate. What makes you think it will be Republican dominated?

When I look at the list of Senate seats up for election I can only see the Republicans having any chance of flipping the Arizona and Nevada seats, and that feels pretty unlikely given the current polling.

PaterPower · 25/08/2024 11:04

Takoneko · 25/08/2024 10:44

@PaterPower Everything I’ve seen so far in the polls suggests that Democrats will keep control of the senate. What makes you think it will be Republican dominated?

When I look at the list of Senate seats up for election I can only see the Republicans having any chance of flipping the Arizona and Nevada seats, and that feels pretty unlikely given the current polling.

The Reps only need to swing two of the contested seats to control the Senate, and many of the polling firms seem to think it’s within their reach still, even with Harris’ current popularity. And, of course, her honeymoon may not stretch to November.

Takoneko · 25/08/2024 11:09

Maybe I’ve been over optimistic.

I’m going to cross my fingers and hope that the momentum stays with her.

MrsSkylerWhite · 25/08/2024 11:10

You think Trump will? 🤣

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/08/2024 11:16

I'm just glad I don't have to vote for either of them.

Floisme · 25/08/2024 12:00

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/08/2024 11:16

I'm just glad I don't have to vote for either of them.

Same. What a choice for US women: reproduction rights or sex based rights. My sympathies.

If I were forced, I guess I'd choose Democrat because denying sex is so insane that I suspect the wheels will eventually come off. But I concede I might be wrong about that and, in the meantime, I would seriously resent being force teamed with those wankers.

WandsOut · 25/08/2024 12:15

The gender thing has become insanity here to the point where children have been irreversibly harmed and it will take a lifetime to undo. And for some of them who now have so much damage to their bodies because of irresponsible and unethical experimental medications and surgeries - they will never get better. Once you've cut your genital off or elected to have your breasts cut off, there's no going back.
Every government official who has allowed this to happen globally is complicit in child abuse. Mentally it has affected these kids peer groups too, it's not just random isolated cases, it's whole schools complicit in harming children. It's massive.

I've started another thread on how this ideology isn't a single issue and how it attacks the foundations of women's rights. If any man who says he is a woman is now regarded as a woman, he can make decisions about women's bodies and there is nothing we can do about it.

So when I was clapping for Nicola Sturgeon and excited about a woman leading the way... I was enabling this abuse to grow. I was clapping for a symbol. I wasn't aware of the darkness in the policies that she was being a used as a shield for.

karadansky.substack.com/p/an-open-letter-to-kamala-harris-from

Kara Dansky has written an open letter to Kamala and it's important that it's not ignored in the firefight or the short term gains will soon be enveloped by long term losses with women and girls safety compromised irrevocably.

Look at Australia.

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WandsOut · 25/08/2024 12:16

Takoneko · 25/08/2024 11:09

Maybe I’ve been over optimistic.

I’m going to cross my fingers and hope that the momentum stays with her.

Push for her to be in power and then hold her accountable as to what she does with that power - that's all you can do x

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TooBigForMyBoots · 25/08/2024 12:32

Preventing a Donald Trump presidency protects women.

This.^^
It also protects democracy.

Grammarnut · 25/08/2024 18:11

Takoneko · 24/08/2024 17:17

This is why I was sceptical of this thread.

Abortion is only a state matter because of Donald Trump’s appointments to the SCOTUS during his presidency.

Women and girls are being forced to carry pregnancies from rape to term.

Women are facing criminal investigations, charges and in some cases being jailed because they have had a miscarriage.

Women are being denied life-saving medical treatment during miscarriages that are leaving them infertile or worse because doctors are afraid of being prosecuted under anti-abortion law.

States are passing laws that criminalise women who travel to another state for an abortion and in some states republicans are seriously talking about the need to prevent pregnant women from leaving the state or country in case they have an abortion. Of course that would be totally unconstitutional but you’re relying on the constitution being enforced by a court that has ruled that Donald Trump could not be criminally prosecuted if he ordered the secret service to assassinate a political opponent.

Repealing Roe and kicking it back to the states was only an interim measure. Now you hear republicans talking of a need for a national ban to stop the “problem” of states that allow abortion from undermining the right of states with abortion bans from exercising their right to oppress women.

Trump has no intention of sticking to the limited powers of the POTUS laid out in the constitution and the Supreme Court has shown it has no intention of stopping him from abusing executive power.

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Biden has used his power to extend Title IX to transwomen, so that men like Lia(r) Thomas can compete against women in sports. I wouldn't trust any of them, TBH, but happily I am not voting in this farce. Time the US got a proper democracy - maybe they'd like to share our head of state again?

Overtheatlantic · 25/08/2024 20:29

Followyouinto · 24/08/2024 18:12

But she thinks men are women - so how can she protect women when she doesn’t even know what a woman is @Overtheatlantic

Good luck with that argument. It won’t work. Vice President Harris knows what a woman is. She has and will work to protect the rights of women/

Followyouinto · 25/08/2024 21:05

Overtheatlantic · 25/08/2024 20:29

Good luck with that argument. It won’t work. Vice President Harris knows what a woman is. She has and will work to protect the rights of women/

@Overtheatlantic so she doesn’t believe that trans women are women, doesn’t believe in title IX Joe is pushing through and doesn’t believe that trans women belong in women’s single sex spaces or sports etc? This is great news.

Followyouinto · 25/08/2024 21:06

@Overtheatlantic can we expect one of her first acts of president to be revoking any changes to Title IX and also revoking changing of birth sex on any legal documents?

TempestTost · 26/08/2024 00:37

Harris isn't just going along with the ARA narrative, she is totally and completely on board with it.

I don't see her doing much for women specifically, tbh.

ArabellaScott · 26/08/2024 07:14

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 25/08/2024 08:47

Why people do not question she is not giving interviews or be questioned but choosing to say whoever she choose to put out there?

Cos it's For The Greater Good? Who knows. Makes no sense to me.

I found RFK Jr's speech sobering. But I imagine even saying this is WRONG

x.com/robertkennedyjr/status/1827173263115743410?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

Yes. Sobering.

On a side note I always find it tragicomic when Americans make grand judgements of the US as 'the template for democracy'.

nauticant · 26/08/2024 08:20

I really don't want Trump to be president again. But that doesn't mean that Harris isn't a zealot when it comes to gender identity ideology:

https://x.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1818673011475534121

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 26/08/2024 08:37

nauticant · 26/08/2024 08:20

I really don't want Trump to be president again. But that doesn't mean that Harris isn't a zealot when it comes to gender identity ideology:

https://x.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1818673011475534121

I've seen this too. Watching it again...isn't it all a bit convenient?

Goes from:

"I didn't get to choose my clients"

As in: "I am neutral, I get what I get in my in tray, do my job as I am bound to do it. I knew nothing of this issue"

To:

"I pushed for this great big fuck off policy change and no I'm not going to go into how anyone was consulted"

Sound familiar? Does to me.

NotISaidTheCat · 26/08/2024 08:44

Takoneko · 24/08/2024 12:55

Those are all valid things to hold her to account for in office but in this election with Trump and Vance on the republican ticket now is not the time.

Abortion isn’t just about your right to get an abortion it’s also about women being denied life-saving care because they happen to be pregnant and being treated as vessels rather than people.

I'm American and completely agree with you. I'm very disappointed that Harris and Walz seem to have swallowed the TRA bullshit, but our democracy is literally on the line. Anyone who doubts that needs to read up on Project 2025. Now isn't the time to fight this particular battle. We just need to get Harris/Walz into office, and then we can fight it.

Grammarnut · 26/08/2024 11:25

Overtheatlantic · 25/08/2024 20:29

Good luck with that argument. It won’t work. Vice President Harris knows what a woman is. She has and will work to protect the rights of women/

Which women? All women? The biological sort - i.e. real women, or the ID sort, transwomen i.e. men. Or both - which means no protection for the biological sort at all?
How come she did not challenge Biden on admitting transwomen to women's sports etc by expanding Title IX to include them?

Iloveshihtzus · 26/08/2024 11:46

PaterPower · 25/08/2024 09:44

The Democrats didn’t care enough about a woman’s right to an abortion to, you know, ACTUALLY protect it when they had the opportunities (and their were several times, from Clinton on, where they had senate majorities and could have pushed a bill through to cement the right).

Bader-Ginsburg didn’t retire when she should have, choosing to die in post, which opened the door for Trump to change the political bias in the SC. The direction of travel on Roe vs Wade was clear, and successive Dem administrations chose to ignore it.

This!!!

Obama could have gotten RBG to retire and appointed a liberal judge - he didn’t. And now you want to castigate Trump? Who has been in office for 16 of the last 20 years - hint, not the Republicans. If it was possible to reverse the Roe Vs Wade removal ( I have always supported abortion rights) then surely, Joe Biden would have done it. If he couldn’t , how can Harris?

As a conservative, I would vote for someone who vowed to take trans ideology out of school and to ban puberty blockers and surgery on children. Also to remove DEI from all government agencies, since DEI is now only about one sort of inclusion.

I’m also against surrogacy, IVF and later term abortions. So I guess I am the devil incarnate. I’m pro marriage and I believe it is the best way to raise a family, but of course, it does not always work out. However, I believe in economic policies that promote marriage, as these policies ultimately benefit society. And to cap it all, I’m an atheist, who cannot understand why every politician in the US has to pretend to be religious.

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